but I feel we are starting to get somewhere here. The mere fact that we can have an open discussion illustrates that we DO live in a country that values freedom of speech as well as freedom of opinion and where someone who happens to view things from a different angle is not always silenced by the 99% of the population who will inevitably form a mindless crowd who blindly follows government propaganda. ddefina, very well done! I honestly cannot determine whether or not your post was ironic. You should seriously consider becoming a writer (if you are not yet one). Anyway, in my opinion you have been more successful in achieving what I intended to achieve with my original post: To point out that real life is never "black and white", there is no "right" or "wrong" thing, and even the greatest holocaust in the history of mankind can beget something positive (creation of the USA). Also, I would like to clarify that I do not hate the United States. I also realize that there is nothing anyone can do to change the laws of nature. It has always been and will always be survival of the fittest (or more accurately reproduction of the fittest). Personally, I am opposed to war, but I am not saying someone who favors war is necessarily wrong. I might even go to war under certain circumstances, just like people who prefer war will certainly sometimes choose to stay at peace. We always have to weigh the benefits against the drawbacks of any action we take. What I DO, however, detest is the idiocy of the crowd who reiterate what they hear on TV: "We have to go to war against Iraq, because they have weapons of mass destruction, because of freedom and democracy, and because it's the right thing to do." The only grain of truth in that statement is that we will go to war because of democracy. Namely, the president wants to be democratically re-elected. The polls are one of the reasons he feels he needs a war. The other reasons are of course oil, stimulus to the war industry, and disposal of outdated weapons. These are the reasons why I believe what President Bush gives us as justification for the war on Iraq are total hypocrisy: 1. If we do not want weapons of mass destruction to exist, we should start destroying our own before we go after the few tiny ones Saddam possibly has. 2. If we do not want illegal weapons of mass destruction to exist, but only want them in countries that are officially allowed to have them (as stupid as this might be) we should try to get Israel to give up its huge stack before we go after the few tiny ones Saddam might have. 3. If we want to free the Iraqi population of the cruel despot Saddam is depicted to be, from the oppression Bush was talking about, we should take out Saddam himself. Instead, just like last time, we will kill a few hundred thousand Iraqi soldiers and civilians (Imagine 100 world trade center sized towers full of people, that's the number we killed in our last invasion of Iraq, but I guess they don't count. Our ideals are not about "The People" anymore, it's now about "The US Citizens"). Why is Saddam still oppressing his people? And why will he still be after this upcoming war? Think about it! This country has become the greatest in the world, because we have tried not only to tolerate, but to value different cultures and also different opinions. The second we start the bs the other nations are doing, the second we start viewing different nations, different cultures, and different thinking as "hostile", "treacherous", "inferior", "the wrong way", we give up the one thing that makes us the land of the free and the home of the brave.