Dont believe them when they said they care about the Constitution....

Discussion in 'Politics' started by El OchoCinco, Nov 25, 2024.

  1. Ricter

    Ricter

    And with a couple of bare wires coming out of a wall socket, applied to your forehead, you can get a religious education for free.
     
    #31     Nov 27, 2024
  2. Where we may be apart may be on the languaging of what is meant by "a religious schools."

    If I see an organization called "Catholic Charities" I may think and say that that is, well...er... a Catholic charity. In fact, legally it is incorporated as a non profit and gets a pile of federal funding for secular work they do even though they are clear as day affiliated with Catholic Church. Ditto for thousand plus hospitals and care facilities around the country. The Providence hospital system is clear as day a Catholic hospital system. Except legally they are incorporated as a hospital for their secular services.

    So, as I have said, I am 100% opposed to using public dollars to fund religious education but that religious affiliation should not preclude their being able access public dollars for providing teaching on the secular/public school type/traditional teaching areas. And that the schools would need to bundle those courses appropriately to include the secular topics and exclude any religious teaching. That would mean that they would set up separate non-profit educational corporations, for example. So if it helps any to refer to those schools as "religious affiliated schools" rather than religious schools then maybe that helps in the area where we are apart. Although possibly not.

    The 1st Amendment requires the government to stay out of the promotion of any religion but it does not create an affirmative obligation to hunt down and snuff out all affiliations with religion by those involved in publicly funded areas. It does not. Thus the government funds many religiously-affiliated charities even though many-most of the staff are themselves are religiously affiliated. Don't be a graduate of the Kamala Harris School of Law wherein she argued that Brett Kavanaugh was disqualified to be a Supreme Court Justice because -shock, shock- he was Catholic and belonged to the Knights of Columbus a Catholic fraternal-charitable organization. That was some dumb shit right there.

    So I stand by my assertion that public schools should not be teaching religion but that religions could structure/incorporate the secular portions of their education in a way that excludes the religious teaching and qualifies their students for any vouchers that may become available. You can continue to argue that I am a dunce who apparently can not do a plain reading of the 1st Amendment but I argue back that this country is wall-to-wall with religious affiliate organizations getting public funds by doing organizational structural workarounds via forming affiliated non-profits.

    Because I am a giver, I will end by saying again, I am opposed to public schools teaching religion for religious purposes. (versus some generic "religions of the world" course).
     
    #32     Nov 27, 2024
  3. #33     Nov 27, 2024
  4. Viewers will note that the Comrade did not want to touch the part about religious affiliated organizations such as Catholic Charities receiving government funding even though they are religious affiliated.

    There is a reason why he did not want to go there.

    I made a point that was bit too inconvenient for his argument.

    Here ya go El Concho. You are welcome.

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    Last edited: Nov 27, 2024
    #34     Nov 27, 2024
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  5. spy

    spy

    The right to an education, of any kind, does not exist in the constitution. So, as I've mentioned, the best option IMHO is to get rid of all funding for schools. If you have kids, then by all means, spend your own money on their education.

    You should try reading it before writing it... "no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof", which doesn't seem to contradict the teaching of religion and ethics in schools

    People love to throw around the separation of church and state doctrine(*) but that's not a law per se, nor is it written as such in the constitution.

    Teaching is not imposition.
     
    #35     Nov 27, 2024
  6. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    So this means that ALL religions should be taught in schools. This includes Judaism, Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, and all the others. Correct?

    Why are the Christians who push religion in public schools so oppose the teaching of other religions except for Christianity? You can't just establish the teaching of one religion in public schools -- this clearly seems like a violation of the intent of the Constitution.
     
    #36     Nov 27, 2024
  7. Do you mean like this?

    https://news.stanford.edu/stories/2017/06/stanford-program-equips-educators-teach-islam#:~:text=Stanford's Institute on Islam, a,college history and sociology courses.
    The California State Board of Education’s History-Social Science Content Standards require Islam to be taught in the seventh grade (other major religions such as Christianity and Judaism are introduced in sixth grade). Islam is also covered in 10th grade as well as in some community college history and sociology courses.

    https://www.meforum.org/campus-watch/san-diego-schools-forcing-islamic-lessons-on-all

    San Diego Schools Forcing Islamic Lessons on All Students, Providing Safe Spaces for Muslims
     
    #37     Nov 27, 2024
  8. spy

    spy

    I won't argue against this. Since the government forces me to pay so people's dimwitted children can learn... the rugrats may as well learn about the major religions and their mores. Maybe then they won't all grow up to be crack addicts and criminals.
     
    #38     Nov 27, 2024
  9. Lest viewers get lost about my view, I will point out that my discussion with El Concho was about whether religious organizations should have access too any voucher funds they may become available to use toward the secular teaching in their schools. Both he and I are against the teaching of religion in public schools. I mean teaching for the purpose of advancing one particular religion. There is no problem with the basic "religions of the world" teaching overview that most public schools have. That is just part of being educated.
     
    #39     Nov 27, 2024
  10. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    The Republican legislature in North Carolina established school vouchers several years ago. Recently they greatly expanded the taxpayer money being dedicated to school vouchers.

    Yet... the N.C. Republicans are now deeply offended to find that the school vouchers are being used for Jewish schools, Muslim schools (or should we call them Madrasas supported by Saudi Arabia), Hindu schools (with numerous Indians relocated to the RTP area), and Chinese schools supported by the CCP.

    Now the Republicans are desperately casting about trying to limit the vouchers only to private schools they "approve of". It's quite interesting to watch their contortions -- as they spew hatred for anyone who is not Christian with a white skin.

    Like many of the Christian private schools -- these other schools do not meet U.S. educational requirements. Some of them don't even teach all of the core subject areas. Why are they spending my taxpayer dollars to educate children in educational settings where they are very unlikely to succeed in terms of being useful productive U.S. citizens or getting into college. These students will be well indoctrinated however.
     
    #40     Nov 27, 2024