Dont believe them when they said they care about the Constitution....

Discussion in 'Politics' started by El OchoCinco, Nov 25, 2024.


  1. If you want to go to a religious school then go pay for it yourself. OR go to Sunday school...it doesn't belong in public schools.

    Then again maybe if we brought the Koran in you and your ilk would approve it right?
     
    #21     Nov 26, 2024
  2. I think I said I favored people having their voucher and going to the place of their choice. If you want to have a "public option" as you wanted for Obamacare and people want to spend their voucher there them that can be talked about.

    Otherwise- and you might want to up your reading comprehension a little- I have said nothing about supporting religious education in public schools.
     
    #22     Nov 26, 2024
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  3. Who pays for the voucher for a person to go to a religious school? Maybe you didn't research the issue before coming here to post from Fox News.

    If someone wants to go to a religious school they are free to go pay for it... try not to confuse this subject with Obama care and whatever liberal narrative you fall back on when you run out of an argument.


    No religion in public schools and no funding of kids to go to religious schools via vouchers paid by taxpayers. ...as per the 1st Amendment.

    You respect the Amendments or just the ones you like?
     
    #23     Nov 26, 2024
  4. You seem to be starting from scratch with this issue and need to educate yourself.

    In regard to who pays for the voucher, it would be the taxpayers. The taxpayers would use the funds currently dedicated to public schools and use that for vouchers. Then each family has that to work with. If that voucher does not support their choice then they pay out of pocket for the difference. Whether the public school/option can attract enough students to support them is up to them. They would be getting less funding but would also have fewer students to educate so they would need to find a workable balance. The good ones would attract many students. The bad ones would suffer and hopefully go away.

    Yes public schools have leaking roofs and broken boilers and all of that that need to be replaced and that will be a problem for them. Not my problem. They need to work within whatever their income via vouchers support or start to scale down their overhead.
     
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    #24     Nov 26, 2024
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  5. spy

    spy

    Nah... I didn't take a position. When IV is that much higher than HV I might look but usually send them right to the bin. Figure there's too much idiosyncratic in there that IDK about.
     
    #25     Nov 26, 2024
  6. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading


    The concept that they are taking taxpayer money and using it on vouchers to send children to private schools is absurd. Especially in view that many of these schools are religious schools and a good number don’t adhere to educational standards. Additionally many vouchers go to high income families who actually don’t need the money and would still send their children to private schools if the vouchers were not available.

    Well to quote a conservative North Carolina politician — “Public schools are for blacks and white trash. Decent whites go to Christian private schools”. (Noting he did not use the word blacks in his statement but the n word.)
     
    #26     Nov 26, 2024
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  7. The vouchers are to meet educational requirments and students demonstrate that they are learning in core areas and the school must demonstrate that as well. Otherwise what they do in that school in regard to religious education is none of your business. It's like the government allowing medicaid funding at catholic long term care facilities etc. The facility is billing for the care they provide. What all else they do religiously for their patients or their affiliiation with a church is none of your business.

    Vouchers also are not welfare. In the same way that a rich person can send their kid to public school, the rich person gets the voucher too. And the poor kid gets the same amount as the rich kid.

    You guys are ill equipped to participate in the discussion so will be greatly distressed as the Trump agenda proceeds. And in fact it is mostly your dem plantation ilk that need the vouchers the most so that they do not need go to your shit-hole, union teacher bloodsucker, dangerous schools.
     
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    #27     Nov 26, 2024
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  8. As.long as vouchers are not used to pay for.kids to go to religious schools....that is what I said. You went off on tangents.

    Government is not here to pay for you to get a religious education. You can do that at church almost for free.
     
    #28     Nov 26, 2024
  9. Nope. Kids should be able to go to religious schools and use their vouchers for the secular parts of their education which will be confirmed by independent testing periodically. If that school also teaches religion in classes not funded via vouchers then that is fine and none of your business. The fact that the teachers may be affiliated or hold religious beliefs is not a show stopper. Teachers in public schools also have affiliations with the state religion of secular humanism or with traditional religions. You are using vouchers to get students to testable levels of knowledge in core areas. If the school is doing that and the student is achieving that then voucher funding can continue or else some corrective plan is needed. It is well known, for example, that Catholic schools turn out far better students in traditional public school areas of study than the public schools do. Why should they be denied voucher students?

    I gave the example of medicaid funding of patients in catholic hospitals or long term care facillities. Facilities that may or may not be staffed by religious orders or religiously affiliated personnel. Do you want to cut off medicare and medicaid funding because the doctor who treated you in their emergency room is a Jesuit or a Seventh Day Adventist? No. You are paying them for their medical services. Just as vouchers are paying for educational services. Public schools use and abuse public funding off on bullshit topics and it is fair to audit them. Just as it is fair to audit religious schools to check for funding abuse. But when they are turning out educated students in core secular areas then it is for the good.

    Meanwhile Johnny in Chicago can't read and write and is in high school in Chicago and their union teachers just got a raise. But Johnny has no voucher to opt out to another teaching program. Life has assigned him to the dem plantation and you want him stuck there. And stuck he is.
     
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    #29     Nov 26, 2024
  10. Government spending not allowed for religious teaching in school..

    I can write the 1st Amendment in crayon is it makes it clearer.

    The argument about Chicago or teachers unions you use when you run out of intelligent arguments aside, respect the constitution please.

    Now try and answer with a direct reply, not verbal diarrhea about Chicago or libs or Johnny cannot read. No vouchers for kids to go to St. Fake or St. Blasphemy on taxpayer dime.

    If you feel otherwise then let's have the Koran and Wiccan taught in schools and you pay for that as well.
     
    #30     Nov 27, 2024