Donald

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Buy1Sell2, Dec 10, 2017.

  1. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    I never said it was a commercial loan. I stated it was a short-term loan that required re-finance after a few years because it did not have a 15 or 30 year term. More akin to a 7 year ARM which terminates at the 7 year mark instead of being automatically extended. There are articles out there about this loan and his other loans. Go take a look. They are not your typical real estate loans and appear to be mixed with his business operations.
     
    #3921     Jan 13, 2021
  2. userque

    userque

    That's not a problem in the courts. Courts can balance what testimony should be allowed, versus excluded, versus given in camera (only to the judge and counsels).

    Protective orders can also be issued.

    IOW, I'm suggesting that there should be no blanket immunity from public servants testifying against other public servants. That would be recipe for disaster, imo.

    Just as Kim K. can't expect the same privacy as John Doe; neither can POTUS.
    Just as Kim could have chosen to not be a public figure; so could any would-be POTUS.

    Public servants sacrifice certain rights, period. An aggrieved NSA employee can't just file an employment action in court. Justice procedures are different for them; for the military; etc.

    This is part of the sacrifice public servants make. The public/government owns you more so than John Doe. You represent the US government, not your own personal interests. At least that's how it's suppose to be.

    While there may be secrets involving a POTUS and their security, what is, or isn't secret should remain up to the courts to decide, not POTUS, and certainly not a blanket policy.

    IMO.

    A separate and distinct issue.

    Allowing a security agent to appear before a court is not equivalent to allowing an agent to 'tell all' to the public for profit.

    Again, the courts would still have the option to decide what the public may, or may not be privy to. There just should be no absolute secrets ... such as spousal immunity.

    We aren't talking private citizens. We are talking a person that represents everyone in the nation, and their security personnel.

    If you want to be a private person, don't become POTUS.

    IMO.
     
    #3922     Jan 13, 2021
  3. Tony Stark

    Tony Stark


    It can also be used as a partisan political weapon,such as Clinton's impeachment.
     
    #3923     Jan 13, 2021
  4. userque

    userque

    This is where we weigh the pro's and con's.

    America says it is better to let a guilty person go free, than to convict an innocent person.

    I believe, it is better to disallow secrets between a POTUS and law enforcement, than to allow secrets.

    We must error on the side of what's best for the nation.

    It is better to address the problem of weaponizing the impeachment process, versus allowing a POTUS and subordinate law enforcement servants to maintain secrets that even the courts aren't privy to.

    A democracy should have as few secrets as possible. But even when the public is left in the dark; there ought be representatives, acting in the best interests of the nation and the public, who are aware of the secrets and can certify that everything is on the up and up.

    The Clinton impeachment failed.
     
    #3924     Jan 13, 2021
  5. Tony Stark

    Tony Stark


    I agree with you 99% of the time.We can differ on this one



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    #3925     Jan 13, 2021
  6. Tony Stark

    Tony Stark

    Back to Donald...


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    #3926     Jan 13, 2021
  7. userque

    userque

    Very well said! I was thinking the exact same!

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    #3927     Jan 13, 2021
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  8. Tony Stark

    Tony Stark

    Congrats to Donald on his historic accomplishment today :)
     
    #3928     Jan 13, 2021
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    Tony Stark

     
    #3929     Jan 13, 2021
  10. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

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    #3930     Jan 13, 2021
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