DOGE Idiocy

echopulse · Feb 24, 2025

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gwb-trading · Feb 24, 2025

echopulse said:
That is not true. Post the article.
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It's already been posted in this thread. Go back and read it.

echopulse · Feb 24, 2025

I want to remind you that you state:

gwb-trading said:
only ONE of the contracts actually existed.
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#1

Did Doge Save $8 Billion By Cutting One Ice Contract?

No. DOGE published a list of cost savings on its website earlier this week, and one of the largest was a purported $8 billion canceled technical support contract for Immigration and Customs Enforcement’s Office of Diversity and Civil Rights dating back to 2022, according to the New York Times. However, while the contract was initially valued at $8 billion, the price tag was later updated to a much more modest $8 million on Jan. 22, 2025. Just $2.5 million was spent on the contract, suggesting DOGE saved only $5.5 million. DOGE’s site now lists the contract’s savings at just $8 million.
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Contract Exist: Yes
Echopulse: 1
Gwb-trading: 0

The contract was for $8 billion; it was later changed to $8 million. Musk was clearly wrong stating the $8B.

echopulse · Feb 24, 2025

#2

DID DOGE CLOSE JIMMY CARTER’S OFFICE IN ATLANTA?

Not exactly. DOGE lists $128,233 in savings on “allowance to former presidents” after the agency said it closed a nearly 7,700-square-foot office in Atlanta. Data from the General Services Administration shows a property of the same size leased from President Jimmy Carter’s charity, the Carter Center, at $128,233. The GSA provides funds for each former president annually, though Carter’s allowance would have ended anyways on Dec. 30, 2024, the day after he died.
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Contract Exist: Yes
Echopulse: 2
Gwb-trading: 0

echopulse · Feb 24, 2025

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IS THERE WIDESPREAD SOCIAL SECURITY FRAUD?

Musk has claimed the Social Security Administration is riddled with mass fraud, including scores of payments made to dead people—and White House Press Secretary Karoline Leavitt said “tens of millions” are receiving fraudulent payments. However, while Social Security fraud certainly exists, there’s no evidence it takes place at anywhere near the scale Musk and Leavitt have claimed. The Inspector’s General office that oversees the agency found erroneous payments accounted for less than 1% of total payments between 2015 and 2023. The office has found improper payments to dead people, though on a far smaller scale, and while tens of millions of people over the age of 100 who might be deceased remain in the SSA database, it’s not clear how many actually receive payments. The SSA has previously said payments are automatically canceled for anyone over age 115.
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Contract Exist: Inconclusive
Author: Misleading
Echopulse: 3
Gwb-trading: 0

“no evidence”? Yes the fact-checker doesn’t have the data/evidence that DOGE has.

You are a trader right? DOGE has all of the inside information. The author has the summarized annual report.

echopulse · Feb 24, 2025

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IS GOLD MISSING FROM FORT KNOX?

There’s no indication this is the case. Musk questioned on social media whether the federal government’s gold reserves—valued at about $435 billion—at Fort Knox are “still there” or “gone,” suggesting there should be a “live video walkthrough” of the facility. Sen. Rand Paul, R-Ky., backed Musk’s claims and called for an audit of the fort. Paul’s father, former Rep. Ron Paul, said he thinks “the gold is there,” though he questioned who owned the reserves because “there’s a lot of borrowing and gimmickry that goes on.” In 2017, former Kentucky Gov. Matt Bevin said Fort Knox’s gold depository is “freakishly well secured” and “the gold is safe.”
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Contract Exist: Yes
Author: The author admits that he has no information. Musk didn’t make a claim he posed a question.
Echopulse: 4
Gwb-trading: 0

Contract or .gov equivalent detailing the gold clearly exist.

echopulse · Feb 24, 2025

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DID THE GOVERNMENT PAY REUTERS FOR “SOCIAL DECEPTION?”

No. Musk reposted a claim on X made by Mario Nawfal, who has 2 million followers and hosts the “Roundtable Show” on X Spaces, who alleged the Department of Defense made a $9 million payment to Reuters for a “large scale social deception” project, citing the USASpending.gov website. Though the Department of Defense did make a $9 million payment, it was actually issued to Thomson Reuters Special Services—the data and research arm of Reuters, not the newsroom—and the project was not to deceive society, as Musk’s post may imply. The project, according to the Defense Department’s Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency, was to fund research for “automated defense against social engineering attacks.” Trump also attacked “Radical Left Reuters” on Truth Social and demanded the organization return the money—though the payment was issued during his first term.
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Contract Exist: Yes
Author: The author admits that he has no information. Musk didn’t make a claim he posed a question.
Echopulse: 5
Gwb-trading: 0

gwb-trading · Feb 24, 2025

echopulse said:
I want to remind you that you state:

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Contract Exist: Yes
Echopulse: 1
Gwb-trading: 0

The contract was for $8 billion; it was later changed to $8 million. Musk was clearly wrong stating the $8B.
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Let's see if we can help your memory. From earlier on this thread --

White House claims about USAID ripped apart by fact-checker: 'Only one claim was accurate'
https://www.rawstory.com/white-house-2671114346/

echopulse · Feb 24, 2025

gwb-trading said:
Let's see if we can help your memory. From earlier on this thread --

White House claims about USAID ripped apart by fact-checker: 'Only one claim was accurate'
https://www.rawstory.com/white-house-2671114346/
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I am going one by one.

So far, five out or 12 contracts exist.

I am using this article:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/conorm...on-canceled-ice-contract-listed-at-8-billion/

Here Are The Biggest DOGE Hoaxes And Inaccuracies—As $8 Million Canceled ICE Contract Listed At $8 Billion

gwb-trading · Feb 24, 2025

echopulse said:
I am going one by one.

So far, five out or 12 contracts exist.

I am using this article:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/conorm...on-canceled-ice-contract-listed-at-8-billion/

Here Are The Biggest DOGE Hoaxes And Inaccuracies—As $8 Million Canceled ICE Contract Listed At $8 Billion
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These are not the contracts in the fact check article about USAID contracts. Go read the article and provide us with the entire list of contracts from the article. Explain to us which ones are actual USAID contracts.

White House claims about USAID ripped apart by fact-checker: 'Only one claim was accurate'
https://www.rawstory.com/white-house-2671114346/