Does the phrase Ship of Fools sound familiar to you too?

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  1. easymon1


    Why does the phrase Ship of Fools sound so familiar? Worldwide?
    Who does a great musical version.
    Who will write/ perform a version for the current era?
    Would the title have any other verbage or just straight up 'Ship of Fools'

    The ship of fools is an allegory, originating from Book VI of Plato's Republic, about a ship with a dysfunctional crew. The allegory is intended to represent the problems of governance prevailing in a political system not based on expert knowledge, such as democracies.

    There’s the shipowner, larger and stronger than everyone in the ship, but somewhat deaf and rather short-sighted, with a knowledge of sailing to match his eyesight. The sailors are quarrelling among themselves over captaincy of the ship, each one thinking that he ought to be captain, though he has never learnt that skill, nor can he point to the person who taught him or a time when he was learning it. On top of which they say it can’t be taught. In fact they’re prepared to cut to pieces anyone who says it can. The shipowner himself is always surrounded by them. They beg him and do everything they can to make him hand over the tiller to them. Sometimes, if other people can persuade him and they can’t, they kill those others or throw them overboard. Then they immobilise their worthy shipowner with drugs or drink or by some other means, and take control of the ship, helping themselves to what it is carrying. Drinking and feasting, they sail in the way you’d expect people like that to sail. More than that, if someone is good at finding them ways of persuading or compelling the shipowner to let them take control, they call him a real seaman, a real captain, and say he really knows about ships. Anyone who can’t do this they treat with contempt, calling him useless. They don’t even begin to understand that if he is to be truly fit to take command of a ship a real ship’s captain must of necessity be thoroughly familiar with the seasons of the year, the stars in the sky, the winds, and everything to do with his art. As for how he is going to steer the ship - regardless of whether anyone wants him to or not - they do not regard this as an additional skill or study which can be acquired over and above the art of being a ship’s captain. If this is the situation on board, don’t you think the person who is genuinely equipped to be captain will be called a stargazer, a chatterer, of no use to them, by those who sail in ships with kind of crew? [1]
    The Republic is a Socratic dialogue, authored by Plato around 375 BC, concerning justice (δικαιοσύνη), the order and character of the just city-state, and the just man.[2] It is Plato's best-known work, and has proven to be one of the world's most influential works of philosophy and political theory, both intellectually and historically.[3][4]

    In the dialogue, Socrates talks with various Athenians and foreigners about the meaning of justice and whether the just man is happier than the unjust man.[5] They consider the natures of existing regimes and then propose a series of different, hypothetical cities in comparison, culminating in Kallipolis (Καλλίπολις), a utopian city-state ruled by a philosopher king. They also discuss the theory of forms, the immortality of the soul, and the role of the philosopher and of poetry in society.[6] The dialogue's setting seems to be during the Peloponnesian War.[7]
    Use in other media
    The concept makes up the framework of the 15th-century book Ship of Fools (1494) by Sebastian Brant, which served as the inspiration for Hieronymus Bosch's painting, Ship of Fools: a ship—an entire fleet at first—sets off from Basel, bound for the Paradise of Fools. In it, Brant conceives Saint Grobian, whom he imagines to be the patron saint of vulgar and coarse people. In literary and artistic compositions of the 15th and 16th centuries, the cultural motif of the ship of fools also served to parody the "ark of salvation", as the Catholic Church was styled.[citation needed]

    Thomas Newbolt created an artistic depiction of the Ship of Fools.[2]
    W.H. Auden's 1941 poem Atlantis uses the phrase: "You have discovered of course/Only the Ship of Fools is/Making the voyage this year".
    Katherine Anne Porter released her novel Ship of Fools in 1962. Published by Little, Brown, it was a best-seller and was made into an Oscar-nominated film, directed by Stanley Kramer, in 1965.
    The Grateful Dead picked up on the idea of a ship in a state of mutiny in the song "Ship of Fools" from the 1974 studio album From the Mars Hotel. Written by Robert Hunter and Jerry Garcia, the song is a slow ballad.[3]
    John Cale released his composition Ship Of Fools on the 1974 album Fear.
    British alternative rock band World Party released an original song, "Ship of Fools", as the first single from their 1986 debut album, "Private Revolution". The song was written, sung, and produced by World Party frontman Karl Wallinger, and charted in many countries, peaking at #4 in Australia, #27 on the US Billboard Top 40, and #42 on the UK charts.
    British synth-pop band Erasure released the original song "Ship of Fools" in 1988.
    Philosopher Michel Foucault cited the Ship of Fools metaphor at length in his book Madness and Civilization.
    Ted Kaczynski, also known as the Unabomber, authored a short story titled "Ship of Fools".[4]
    The Doors recorded a song called "Ship of Fools" for their 1970 album Morrison Hotel.
    Bob Seger recorded a song called “Ship of Fools” for his 1975 album “Beautiful Loser”.
    John Renbourn recorded an album titled John Renbourn's Ship of Fools in 1988 with Maggie Boyle, Steve Tilston, and Tony Roberts, where track 9 is titled "Ship of Fools", and was written cooperatively by all four members of the group. The song is sung from the perspective of a narrator who boards a strange ship, finds a woman who is the captain, and spends the next seven years bound to her and the ship.
    Robert Plant recorded a song titled "Ship of Fools".
    Journalist Tucker Carlson released a book called "Ships of Fools."
    The avant-garde music band Secret Chiefs 3 included a song called "Ship of Fools" in their album from 2001 Book M.
    "Ship of Fools" was track one on the concept album Lucky Leif and the Longships, a 1975 record album by Robert Calvert, produced by Brian Eno.
    In 2010, Irish author Fintan O'Toole published a book titled "Ship of Fools" in the aftermath of the 2008 financial crisis dedicated to the analysis of the post-crisis decline of the Irish Celtic Tiger.[5]
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  2. elderado


    That was actually quite interesting! Thank you for posting it.
  3. easymon1


    last thing on my mind at breakfast was Plato's Republic via Ship of Fools. wikipedia gets the thanks. oh, and Joe Plato. that dining room table boat with the vintage merc top left rocks too. good for picnics.
    see what i mean, the internet, it's in there.
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  6. vanzandt


    The Doors did one.
    Bob Seger did this one.
    Pretty sure Billy Currington must have heard it when he was young. Can you hear it?

    He did a good job though. Great song.

    We talked an hour or two
    About every girl we knew
    What all we put ‘em through
    Like two old boys will do

    We pondered life and death
    He lit a cigarette
    He said "These damn things will kill me yet

    But God is great, beer is good and people are crazy"

    Last call its 2: 00am
    I said goodbye to him
    I never talked to him again

    Then one sunny day
    I saw the old man's face
    Front page Obituary
    He was a millionaire he

    He left his fortune to
    Some guy he barely knew
    His kids were mad as hell
    Huh but me, I'm doing well

    God is great, beer is good
    ........and people are crazy
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  7. Mikegap7


    It is quite interesting without a doubt.