Does Joe Biden's Story Omit Critical Details Behind Firing of Viktor Shokin?

Discussion in 'Politics' started by piezoe, Sep 27, 2019.

  1. Cuddles

    Cuddles

    the only thing not being reported by this opinion piece is the full truth. Biden jr. being on that board has been widely reported. The corruption probe began 2 yrs before he was even on that board

    Others have rightly pointed out that, in reality, Biden was not simply relaying the message pushed by the Obama administration, but that his position was supported by Ukrainian anti-corruption activists, European allies, and even groups like the International Monetary Foundation (IMF). As Tom Malinowski, former assistant secretary of state under Obama, recalled this week, “All of us working on Ukraine wanted this prosecutor gone, because he was NOT prosecuting corruption. So did the Europeans. So did the IMF. This didn't come from Joe Biden—he just delivered our message.”

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/bidens...rlapped-with-sons-work-in-country-11569189782


    Mr. Biden had called for the ouster of Mr. Shokin because he and others thought that the prosecutor wasn’t aggressive enough.

    The owner of Burisma, Mykola Zlochevsky, has been under the scrutiny of prosecutors. A minister of natural resources until 2012, Mr. Zlochevsky was accused of improperly granting gas extraction licenses to firms affiliated with him, and at times was investigated for alleged abuse of power, illegal enrichment and money laundering. Mr. Zlochevsky was never convicted of any crimes and denied any wrongdoing. His lawyer also denied that Mr. Zlochevsky ever benefited from his position in government.

    Mr. Shokin had dragged his feet on those investigations, Western diplomats said, and effectively squashed one in London by failing to cooperate with U.K. authorities, who had frozen $23.5 million of Mr. Zlochevsky’s assets. In a speech in 2015, the U.S. ambassador to Ukraine, Geoffrey Pyatt, called the Ukrainian prosecutor “an obstacle” to anticorruption efforts, and mentioned the U.K. case, which he said led to the escape of illicit assets.

    But Ukraine’s government was slow to fire Mr. Shokin, despite warnings from the International Monetary Fund and others that Western aid to the country would be cut off if it didn’t act. Mr. Biden, in one of his trips to Ukraine in 2016, pressured the government, telling them the U.S. would withhold $1 billion in loan guarantees. At an event at the Council on Foreign Relations two years later, Mr. Biden said he told Ukraine officials: “If the prosecutor is not fired you’re not getting the money. Well, son of a bitch. He got fired.”

    Mr. Shokin denied any misconduct, and said he was fired illegally. In an interview with a Ukrainian news service, he blamed his dismissal on Ukrainian “grant-eaters”—nonprofit groups seeking to curry favor with the West.


    That much is clear, as is evidenced by this thread. Which i why we ask for lawmen appointed by Trump to recuse themselves from his investigations, to the chagrin of his ballwashers.
     
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    #11     Sep 28, 2019
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  2. Yes, he joined a corrupt organization and the hiring of Hunter was an extension of that corruption and an opportunity for Hunter to participate in corruption- which he does in other places as well. No one ever said that Burisma was not corrupt before and after Hunter arrived.

    And yes, an investigation was started before Hunter arrived and it was shut down and then it was restarted again as the prosecutor attempted to restart it and overcome the corrupt forces that shut it down the first time. And Hunter was 100% in the crosshairs when it was shut down by Joe. Documents from both the prosecutors and Hunter's attorneys 100% confirm that.

    Believe what you must but it does not matter anyway. The dems have just launched a full effort to impeach Joe Biden so all the details will come out. Good job idiots.
     
    #12     Sep 28, 2019
  3. Cuddles

    Cuddles

    Nice link to those documents
     
    #13     Sep 28, 2019
  4. As I said, the dems have an impeachment against Biden in process.

    Subpoena whatever documents you need from John Solomon or go to his original sources.

    Let's get this investigation going.

    I am not going to try the case here. Your ilk signed up for that and you are going to blow both of Joe's legs off as collateral damage. And that's fine.

    https://thehill.com/opinion/campaig...-memos-cast-doubt-on-joe-bidens-ukraine-story
     
    #14     Sep 28, 2019
  5. Both Trump and Biden should be thrown out for doing it. Equal application of the law!
     
    #15     Sep 28, 2019
  6. Cuddles

    Cuddles

    nah, just more weak whataboutism. Fredo had a good breakdown:

     
    #16     Sep 28, 2019
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  7. Trump broke no law.
     
    #17     Sep 28, 2019

  8. Neither did Biden.

    These are not jail able offenses, they are improper use of office.

    Trump violated his office several times and so did Biden. They should both be gone.
     
    #18     Sep 28, 2019
  9. Cuddles

    Cuddles

    Even if there was no quid pro quo in Trump's case (there is), he's requested an in-kind campaign contribution from a foreign power. Clearly illegal.
     
    #19     Sep 28, 2019
  10. Wrong.

    The justice department has an investigation into the origins of the witch-hunt which has some of its origins in the Ukraine. He asked the President of the Ukraine, prime minister, whatever to cooperate with the Attorney General.

    Next, the president is required by the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act to get assurances and take appropriate steps to make sure that corruption is being dealt with before allocating U.S. funds. He made the point that there was corruption in the Ukraine and that there were allegations that Biden was involved and that he should work with out Attorney General.

    No laws broken. All within the power and scope of the President.

    Don't like it? Get a conviction in the Senate.
     
    #20     Sep 28, 2019