does it EVER make sense to buy and hold a 3X bull ETF ?

Discussion in 'ETFs' started by trc4949, Jun 3, 2016.

  1. Buy1Sell2

    Buy1Sell2

    This point is immaterial to the question at hand.
     
    #51     Apr 10, 2017
  2. JKG77

    JKG77

    It's equivalent to Futures leveraged up 3 times, if and only if you buy at RTH close and sell the next day before RTH close.

    i.e, The 'equivalence' only lasts one day.
     
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    #52     Apr 10, 2017
  3. Buy1Sell2

    Buy1Sell2

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    -- and your point is?
     
    #53     Apr 10, 2017
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  4. Sig

    Sig

    You don't understand leveraged ETFs if you think they're equivalent to futures. You continue to display that lack of understanding with every post.
     
    #54     Apr 10, 2017
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    I see your points SIG; + Buy1Sell2, also.AS far,as waiting until i completely understand something, well i mainiy study trend$ + trade /invest sometimes.I found out even the guys @ power company do NOT really completely understand electricity but we don't sit in the dark till we do.

    Frankly I'm glad i read-reread the 777+ page paper prospectus of FAZ-FAS; i used to worry [wrongly] about a 3X going to $0.00 in day LOL-LOL....... Possible , perhaps,but NOT likely @ all.
     
    #55     Apr 12, 2017
  6. Buy1Sell2

    Buy1Sell2

    Oh I know how they work.---I recommend that you revisit the title of this thread and pay special attention to the word "hold".
     
    #56     Apr 12, 2017
  7. shatteredx

    shatteredx


    The Long Term Behaviour of Leveraged ETFs


    There is a big myth about leveraged ETFs that has been recently propagated in the media. This article corrects the myth and explains the faulty reasoning that gave rise to it.

    The myth is:

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    This myth is expressed in various ways. Some quotes from the internet about leveraged ETFs:

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    There is even an article comparing these ETFs to swine flu.

    These claims are not backed up with mathematics and data. This article rectifies that deficiency and finds that the claims are false.
     
    #57     Apr 12, 2017
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  8. Sig

    Sig

    Exactly. Your posts imply they are equivalent to futures for a "hold" scenario when that couldn't be further from the truth. You may or may not understand how they work, but at this point your posts are just spreading confusion and misinformation, that's all of our collective points. If you want to correct those misconseptions by explaining to us all the path dependency inherent in the daily rebalance of leveraged ETFs we'll all change our opinion of your knowledge level and value to the thread. Until then you're creating negative value with your posts.
     
    #58     Apr 12, 2017
  9. Buy1Sell2

    Buy1Sell2

    The question at hand is does it make sense to buy and hold a 3X ETF. ---The answer is yes--It's that simple . For example, a buy signal occurred in Mid Jan 2016 on USLV at 10.60 and if held to it's sell signal in Aug 2016 at 25.03 ----well , you do the math.
     
    #59     Apr 12, 2017
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  10. Buy1Sell2

    Buy1Sell2

    Regarding whether or not it's like trading Silver Futures with 3 times leverage, it's nearly the exact same gain when contract roll etc are factored in--
    ----mic drop-----
     
    #60     Apr 12, 2017