Does Israel have right to exist in current form?

Pointing the sole of someone's shoes ia an Arabic custom aronym not Islamic! I get very offended when that happens to me.

Every culture has its own hang ups. You, not seeing and understanding that could be interpreted as ignorance.

Example?? If I meet an old friend of mine that I haven't seen for a while, we kiss on the cheek twice. You, being the homophobes you are, get the shivers whenever that is done to you or in front of you.

I accepted that hang up in you, why don't you accept mine?!

Oh I forgot! You are an American. You are not accustomed to accept anything that is un American.

And speaking of not being accustomed to accept anything that is not you, this is another hang up that you have that the whole world is aware of and hate.

In regard to Saudi Arabia, I am in talk with many, many Saudis who thought of such animalistic action as such! An animalistic action.

You have to keep in mind that in Saudi Arabia exclusively, there are two levels of government, the Saud family and the Whabi school of thinking. Right now, both are trying to maintain a fragile truce between them.

The society in there is also divided, almost evenly, between these two camps. What happened to that poor girl is in a way, a statement made by the Wahabis to try to assert their might.

When that poor girl exposed them for the primitive fucks they were, they doubled her punishment. But do not worry, the tide will turn.

 

Obviously, i never figured out how to do the "insert" bits, so ive substituted lines and "moi" instead.

 

If you think of the Arabic culture as a "cult" then there is nothing more I could write except for insults. I elect not to do so.

 

It's quite legitimate to call a "culture" stuck in the 7th century a cult. The arab contribution to the civilization during the last thousand years was nothing more than mass murderers, suicide bombers, religious fanatics, despots and terrorists. Unfortunately no arab/muslim contribution to science, technology, medicine, arts etc has been recorded during the last millennium.

 

You can't help but express your fascist views. Views driven from an ideology based on the superiority of one race.

I am not surprised you have these views dddooo. We are at the receiving end of your like in Palestine.

But your feelings of superiority are not only expressed toward us as the following video shows.

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Khahahahahah. The above video cracks me up.

ot only did one of the guys attack Christians...He also tried to express further love buy attacking black Christians.

What I loved the most is how he started jumping like a crazed monkey.

Hey dddooo...Boush ala chiem

 

My views are based on the fact that modern civilization has been created by judeo-cristian societies and the muslim world has contributed absolutely nothing in the process (besides terrorism, despotism and camel fucking of course). I can give you a huge list of Israel's achievements in science, technology, medicine, arts, business, defense etc during the short 60 years of its existence, you will not be able to come up with two positive things the entire muslim world has contributed during the last 1000 years.

All people are created equal. Too bad they don't grow up equal. People in some societies grow up to be scientists, artists, entrepreneurs, engineers, doctors... People in some other societies grow up to be jihadists, hate preaching mullahs, terrorists, suicide bombers, religious extremists... All societies have bad apples. Some try their best to root them out, others name streets and squares after them.

 

The only thing i can say is both israel and palestine are fascist states. the only thing is the Israelis are smart enough to hoodwink, cajole,induce,bewitch the americanos to die for them

those poor sods in iraq should be waving the israeli flag instead of the american one...if only they knew....

 

Jeez, another idiot reciting the protocols. Two oilmen in the white house (one of them having a long standing family feud with a middle-eastern dictator who tried to kill his daddy) invade an oil-rich country, the Israelis warn them against the invasion, neighboring arab states provide support and assistance for the invasion and hugely benefit from it... but of course it's the fault of the jews. And Israel is a fascist state because Israeli Arabs can vote, have their representatives in the government, can freely practice their religion and preach their [anti-Israel] views. Your are indeed an alien, what planet are you from?

 

The israelis warned them??? Hahahahahahahahahah!

Jewish-Zionist plans for war against Iraq had been in place for years.

In mid-1996, a policy paper prepared for then-Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu outlined a grand strategy for Israel in the Middle East. Entitled “A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm,” it was written under the auspices of an Israeli think tank, the Institute for Advanced Strategic and Political Studies. Specifically, it called for an “effort [that] can focus on removing Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq, an important Israeli strategic objective in its own right...” [8]

The authors of “A Clean Break” included Richard Perle, Douglas Feith, and David Wurmser, three influential Jews who later held high-level positions in the Bush administration, 2001-2004: Perle as chair of the Defense Policy Board, Feith as Undersecretary of Defense, and Wurmser as special assistant to the Undersecretary of State for Arms Control.

The role played by Bush administration officials who are associated with two major pro-Zionist “neoconservative” research centers has come under scrutiny from The Nation, the influential public affairs weekly. [9]

The author, Jason Vest, examined the close links between the Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs (JINSA) and the Center for Security Policy (CSP), detailing the ties between these groups and various politicians, arms merchants, military men, wealthy pro-Israel American Jews, and Republican presidential administrations

JINSA and CSP members, notes Vest, “have ascended to powerful government posts, where... they’ve managed to weave a number of issues – support for national missile defense, opposition to arms control treaties, championing of wasteful weapons systems, arms aid to Turkey and American unilateralism in general – into a hard line, with support for the Israeli right at its core... On no issue is the JINSA/CSP hard line more evident than in its relentless campaign for war – not just with Iraq, but ‘total war,’ as Michael Ledeen, one of the most influential JINSAns in Washington, put it... For this crew, ‘regime change’ by any means necessary in Iraq, Iran, Syria, Saudi Arabia and the Palestinian Authority is an urgent imperative.”

Samuel Francis, author, editor and columnist, also looked into the “neo-conservative” role in fomenting war. [10]

“My own answer,” he wrote, “is that the lie [that a massively-armed Iraq posed a grave and imminent threat to the US] was fabricated by neo-conservatives in the administration whose first loyalty is to Israel and its interests and who wanted the United States to smash Iraq because it was the biggest potential threat to Israel in the region. They are known to have been pushing for war with Iraq since at least 1996, but they could not make an effective case for it until after Sept. 11, 2001...”

In the aftermath of the 2001 Nine-Eleven terror attacks, ardently pro-Zionist “neo-conservatives” in the Bush administration – who for years had sought a Middle East war to bolster Israel’s security in the region – exploited the tragedy to press their agenda. In this they were backed by the Israeli government, which also pressured the White House to strike Iraq.

“The [Israeli] military and political leadership yearns for war in Iraq,” reported a leading Israeli daily paper, Haaretz, in February 2002. [11]

The Jerusalem correspondent for the Guardian, the respected British daily, reported in August 2002: “Israel signalled its decision yesterday to put public pressure on President George Bush to go ahead with a military attack on Iraq, even though it believes Saddam Hussein may well retaliate by striking Israel.” [12]

Three months before the US invasion, the well-informed Washington journalist Robert Novak reported that Israeli prime minister Sharon was telling American political leaders that “the greatest US assistance to Israel would be to overthrow Saddam Hussein’s Iraqi regime.” Moreover, added Novak, “that view is widely shared inside the Bush administration, and is a major reason why US forces today are assembling for war.” [13]

Israel’s spy agencies were a “full partner” with the US and Britain in producing greatly exaggerated prewar assessments of Iraq’s ability to wage war, a former senior Israeli military intelligence official has acknowledged. Shlomo Bron, a brigadier general in the Israel army reserves, and a senior researcher at a major Israeli think tank, said that intelligence provided by Israel played a significant role in supporting the US and British case for making war. Israeli intelligence agencies, he said, “badly overestimated the Iraqi threat to Israel and reinforced the American and British belief that the weapons [of mass destruction] existed.” [14]

 

The role of the pro-Israel lobby in pressing for war is examined in an 81-page research paper by two prominent American scholars, John J. Mearsheimer, professor of political science at the University of Chicago, and Stephen M. Walt, professor of international affairs at the Kennedy School of Government at Harvard University. [15]

In the paper, “The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy,” they write:

“Pressure from Israel and the [pro-Israel] Lobby was not the only factor behind the decision to attack Iraq in March 2003, but it was critical. Some Americans believe that this was a war for oil, but there is hardly any direct evidence to support this claim. Instead, the war was motivated in good part by a desire to make Israel more secure… Within the United States, the main driving force behind the Iraq war was a small band of neoconservatives, many with close ties to Israel’s Likud Party. In addition, key leaders of the Lobby’s major organizations lent their voices to the campaign for war.”

Important members of the pro-Israel lobby carried out what professors Mearshiemer and Walt call “an unrelenting public relations campaign to win support for invading Iraq. A key part of this campaign was the manipulation of intelligence information, so as to make Saddam look like an imminent threat.”

For some Jewish leaders, the Iraq war is part of a long-range effort to install Israel-friendly regimes across the Middle East. Norman Podhoretz, a prominent Jewish writer and an ardent supporter of Israel, has been for years editor of Commentary, the influential Zionist monthly. In the Sept. 2002 issue he wrote:

“The regimes that richly deserve to be overthrown and replaced are not confined to the three singled-out members of the axis of evil [Iraq, Iran, North Korea]. At a minimum, the axis should extend to Syria and Lebanon and Libya, as well as ‘friends’ of America like the Saudi royal family and Egypt’s Hosni Mubarak, along with the Palestinian Authority, whether headed by Arafat or one of his henchmen.”

Patrick J. Buchanan, the well-known writer and commentator, and former White House Communications director, has been blunt in identifying those who pushed for war: [16]

“We charge that a cabal of polemicists and public officials seek to ensnare our country in a series of wars that are not in America’s interests. We charge them with colluding with Israel to ignite those wars and destroy the Oslo Accords. We charge them with deliberately damaging US relations with every state in the Arab world that defies Israel or supports the Palestinian people’s right to a homeland of their own. We charge that they have alienated friends and allies all over the Islamic and Western world through their arrogance, hubris, and bellicosity...

“Cui Bono? For whose benefit these endless wars in a region that holds nothing vital to America save oil, which the Arabs must sell us to survive? Who would benefit from a war of civilizations between the West and Islam?

“Answer: one nation, one leader, one party. Israel, Sharon, Likud.”

Uri Avnery – an award-winning Israeli journalist and author, and a three-time member of Israel’s parliament – sees the Iraq war as an expression of immense Jewish influence and power. In an essay written some weeks after the US invasion, he wrote: [17]

"Who are the winners? They are the so-called neo-cons, or neo-conservatives. A compact group, almost all of whose members are Jewish. They hold the key positions in the Bush administration, as well as in the think-tanks that play an important role in formulating American policy and the ed-op pages of the influential news_papers... The immense influence of this largely Jewish group stems from its close alliance with the extreme right-wing Christian fundamentalists, who nowadays control Bush's Republican party. ... Seemingly, all this is good for Israel. America controls the world, we control America. Never before have Jews exerted such an immense influence on the center of world power.”

In Britain, a veteran member of Britain’s House of Commons bluntly declared in May 2003 that Jews had taken control of America’s foreign policy, and had succeeded in pushing the US into war. “A Jewish cabal have taken over the government in the United States and formed an unholy alliance with fundamentalist Christians,” said Tam Dalyell, a Labour party deputy and the longest-serving House member. “There is far too much Jewish influence in the United States,” he added. [18]