Does Donald Trump Explain the Jesus Phenomenon?

Discussion in 'Religion and Spirituality' started by piezoe, Aug 18, 2017.

  1. piezoe

    piezoe

    Does anyone else find it interesting that The Jesus created in Biblical accounts was afflicted by extreme narcissism, just as the very real, present day character we know as Donald Trump is afflicted. In the Biblical account, the character Jesus was extremely charismatic and able to attract a large and loyal following; yet had many adamant detractors. The same is true of Donald Trump today. We find that Donald Trump fabricates one fiction after another and that there is a subset of the population that readily accept these fabrications as truth and repeats them. These individuals make up what we refer to as his core believers. The Biblical Jesus was also able to build a core of believers.

    Could it be the biblical Jesus, like Trump, was also a pathological liar, and could that explain the real origin of the supernatural events described in the New Testament of the Bible. When one starts thinking about the parallels between the two men, it seems Trump's extreme, pathological narcissism, which few of us had ever seen so prominently displayed in any human, could go a long way toward explaining the Biblical Jesus. We have thought the Biblical Jesus to be a charismatic and largely fictional character based on a real person. We are at once presented with the possibility that the Biblical Jesus may have been far less fictional than many, including myself, have assumed. The Biblical Jesus may have been a quite real, Donald Trump like character!
     
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  2. Does Donald Trump Explain the Jesus Phenomenon?

    Tricky!

    imo

    1.
    During biblical Jesus' era covering several hundreds years, people consider one thing called Logos is very important.

    2. Miracles including ghosts and a number of natural phenomenons like lightning causing fire as well as magic tricks https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_(illusion)
    exist in too many cultures for many things that could not be explained scientifically in the past. Modern science is still trying to find out too many unexplained phenomenons like the universe and dark matter/energy.

    https://elitetrader.com/et/threads/...at-jesus-christ-lived-and-died.308633/page-19
     
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  3. Difference?

     
  4. Piptaker

    Piptaker

    Seems Christ's detractors were the state and the government system of the time whom allegedly in the end killed him. The state(government) by definition is oppressive, corrupt and enslaving so Jesus Christ was then obviously on the side of freedom and was actually one of the good guys.
     
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  5. Well he is Donald Jesus Trump. Ok.. John, but his Father really was Fredrick Christ Trump.

    It is a pretty similar thing though Jesus was one of a line of similar characters trying to be seen filling the criteria for a prophecy. St John the Baptist being just the previous. Eventually one will turn the lock. Mohammad had influencing superpowers, Joseph Smith in the US (the phrase "talking out of your hat") & probably the most Donald like, L. Ron Hubbard (very very like DT) to name just a very very few.

    Dangerously spectacular bullshitters have always found an audience.

    There is a flaw, a hack, into a large percentage of people which makes them easy to sway via populist rhetoric. They don't care if it is an outrageous lie if they hear what makes them feel safe.

    A strict formal education papers over this a fair amount however apply pressure and time, you can "gaslight" nearly anyone. Two plus two equals five Winston.

    Off topic but the movie "The Man From Earth" by Jerome Bixby is a fun biscuit twister on some of these ideas. No spoilers of course. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0756683/
     
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  6. piezoe

    piezoe

    Actually I think it is easy to poke holes in the hypothesis that Jesus may have been a Trump like character who lied his way through life. But one thing is quite clear, and that is that the Bible paints a clear picture of Jesus the Narcissist. It is conceivable that narcissism also figured into Paul's founding of what we know today as the christian religion.
     
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  7. Anyone who is able to finish reading and understanding just One single page of the book of Revelation (presumably written by St Paul while drinking holy water) in the holy bible without causing any long-lasting mental Stability at all should be well qualified being a truly King Donald's loyal royal follower.
     
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  8. Well, it has been established here and among lefties that Donald Trump is the same as Adolph Hitler.

    And now you are attempting to establish that Trump is of the same nature as Jesus.

    Would it not be axiomatically true then- that if quantities equal to the same or equal quantities are equal to each other- then Jesus and Hitler are of the same nature?

    You guys need to lay off the eggnog a little and let some helium out of your cerebral cortices.

    :cool:
     
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  9. stu

    stu

    Had Biblical Jesus been a real life character I think it fair to say there would be at least some proper evidence of it and indeed a great deal too, particularly if he had actually existed and been in the mold of Trump.

    I would suggest writers and co-authors following up on a theme can be extraordinarily canny when inviting folks to share common foibles and fantasies. Much the same way I suppose Trump's Cabinet and advisors have been, albethey fewer now.

    So whilst the Jesus character certainly comes across as an extreme narcissist, as does his dad for that matter, who in an act of utmost narcissism Jesus claims to be himself, it is afflicted by a gaggle of authors' own shortcomings, superstitions and confusions onto a fictional creation.
    Poorly joined up storytelling and contradictory fiction, although having very many similar parallels with the current administration is not the first-hand pathological disorder Trump has displayed in reality.
     
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  10. What about Kelly Ann Conway as Mary Magdalene? See what I am sayin? Obvious parallels. Why don't others see it? She washes Trump's feet. Mary Magdalene washed Jesus' feet.

    I am pretty sure that CNN will do a special on that as soon as they are done reporting on Steve Lucifer. Once they get the go ahead from the the Mothership circling the Hale-Bopp Comet.

    I remember back when it was considered to be crazy to talk about the President being a muslim - but now that we have cleared up that ridiculous notion- I find that Jesus is apparently in the White House and the argument seems to be "we all know that Jesus never existed but he was a baddd narcissistic guy." Ahhh okay.

    It's like Garrison Keilor /sp used to say about people in Lake Wobegon: "Even the God that the atheists don't believe in is Lutheran there."
     
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