Does cooking protect meat?

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  1. http://whyfiles.org/012mad_cow/

    "The first known TSE appeared in sheep, but now people, cows, elk, deer, mink, rats, mice, hamsters and possibly monkeys all get various types of the disease."


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    #41     Dec 31, 2003
  2. "Even a scare about BSE would spell disaster for the beef industry. (Want The Why Files guide to mad cow lingo?) Skeptics point to these reasons for worrying about the food supply:

    Low concentrations of disease prions cannot be detected in the laboratory, so it's not possible to say that a certain food is not contaminated. Furthermore, the accepted test, made by Prionics and used on heavily infected animal parts, may miss some cases, according to a Jan. 11 Reuters report.

    TSEs have a long incubation period, so disease can crop up years after exposure. That means control measures take years to work, and errors take years to surface.

    The prion resists standard techniques for inactivating pathogens, including heat, radiation, sterilization with formaldehyde.

    Pigs, fish and fowl are both eating rendered animal protein. And while there is no proof these animals can get a TSE from mad cows, TSEs have produced plenty of surprises to date.

    Milk replacers fed to calves and pigs contain dried blood products taken from cows.

    Regulations may be flouted. A Food and Drug Administration report in January, 2001, found that "hundreds of feed manufacturers and rendering companies were not complying with regulations intended to ensure the safety of domestically produced food," the New York Times reported (see "Stringent Steps..." in the bibliography).

    Some British renderers (who dispose of diseased cattle) continued to ship meat and bone meal around the world, and European producers used the cheap meal at least until November, 2000. Maura Ricketts, a World Health Organization official, told the New York Times that "The murky movement of live cattle and rendered animals around the world" had allowed the cattle disease to spread around the world.

    Bovine by-products are still being imported under loopholes in federal regulations. Permitted beef products include glandular material from cattle used for health supplements, and milk, blood, fat, gelatin, tallow, bone mineral extracts, collagen, semen. The materials are used for vaccines, medical products and other purposes. The FDA recently found that some manufacturers were ignoring guidelines intended to ensure that raw materials for vaccines came from BSE-free locations. The FDA's Center for Biologics Evaluation and Research says the chances of vaccine transmission are "remote," but still worth evaluation."


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    http://whyfiles.org/012mad_cow/5.html
     
    #42     Dec 31, 2003
  3. nkhoi

    nkhoi

    then it is hopless to avoid all of that, back to McD I go
     
    #43     Dec 31, 2003
  4. that's fine if you get on their new salads [no meat!]:eek:
     
    #44     Dec 31, 2003
  5. nkhoi

    nkhoi

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    Quote from Doubter:

    Could you provide me with a link to a difinitive answer as to actual proof that consumption by humans of any misshapen pions form other species causes the natural pions in humans to become misshapen?
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    The article was in Cell or Cellular Biochemistry - both journals are accessible through Medline or the NIH (www.nlm.nih.gov).

    That eukaryotes (which class includes all mammals) make prions constitutively has been known for over a decade. The mechanism causing a change in the protein structure can by a mutated prion protein (from infected beef) was poorly understood then (mid 90's).
     
    #46     Jan 2, 2004
  7. Hawai'i stores responsible for meat recall notification

    … any Hawai'i business that received meat … is responsible for informing customers.

    … officials still suspect some of the recalled beef was brought to Hawai'i, though no store or restaurant here has been identified publicly as receiving the beef.

    the USDA would NOT release the names of 42 distributors that sold the recalled meat, on advice from attorneys …

    … distributors on the list "are under direction to contact anyone and everyone that they have sold this meat to."

    … officials felt it was not urgent to release distributors' names, because the recalled meat probably has been eaten or pulled from shelves by now.

    Major supermarket chains in Hawai'i have said their meat was not subject to the recall. They include Safeway, Foodland Super Markets, Star Markets, Times Super Market, KTA Super Stores, Costco, military commissaries, Y. Hata & Co., which supplies to hotels and restaurants, fast-food restaurants and the eight small stores that belong to Independent Grocers of Hawai'i.

    … in other states it went to restaurants and supermarkets …
     
    #47     Jan 4, 2004
  8. Could the Environment
    Trigger Mad Cow Disease?
    Controversial Research Says Metals —
    Not Infectious Beef — May Be Involved

    Commentary
    By Nicholas Regush



    May 29 — What if it turns out that the human form of mad cow disease is triggered by environmental factors — and not by infectious beef products — as some ongoing British research at Cambridge University suggests?


    What if much of the science to date, focusing on contaminated meat, has been overly simplistic or even dead wrong?
    The immediate implication would be that we would have to rethink everything already done to fight the disease, both in Britain where it began, in Europe, where it has spread, and in other nations, including the United States, where concerns are mounting about its potential to be unleashed.

    Last week, in order to prevent the disease from contaminating the blood supply, the American Red Cross, in accepting the view that infectious beef is to blame, barred donations from anyone who consecutively spent three months in Britain and six months in Europe since 1980.

    Presumably, anyone in those countries for that long a period would have had the opportunity to contract an infection from eating contaminated beef and then possibly pass it on by donating blood.

    But, of course, this prevention strategy presumed the prevailing scientific perspective on mad cow disease and its human form, variant Creutzfeldt-Jacob disease or vCJD, is correct.


    Conventional View: Consumed Infectious Agent

    The viewpoint held by most scientists is that an infectious agent likely moved from sheep to cows and gained enough strength in its cross-species jump to ravage the nervous system and cause the bovine brain to appear spongy and rife with holes like Swiss cheese. This brain-destroying "mad cow" infection was further transmitted, according to this interpretation, via the rendering of carcasses, to meat and bone meal in feed. That set off the epidemic in British cows in 1986.

    The human form of the disease began to turn up in Britain in 1995 when, according to the conventional wisdom, the infectious agent in cows, thought to have been passed on to humans by contaminated cooked meat products, had sufficient time to incubate and become destructive to the nervous system.

    So far, about 100 people have developed vCJD and died, the majority of them in Britain. Mind and body are usually destroyed within a year.

    Paul Brown, a research scientist at the National Institutes of Health in Bethesda, Md., echoing the conventional view on mad cow disease and vCJD, wrote in the April 7 edition of the British Medical Journal that it is "uncontestable" that the disease in cows is the cause of vCJD.

    But not according to David Brown, a biochemist at Cambridge University, who counters that "there is no conclusive proof that [mad cow disease] caused vCJD."

    Next week at a scientific conference in Quebec City, he'll discuss some of his most recent research, pointing to a possible environmental explanation of both mad cow disease and vCJD.

    Controversial View: Environmental Exposure

    That conference is all about manganese, a heavy metal, that is essential to life and is part of the daily diet — for example, wheat, rice and tea provide the metal — but numerous studies show that environmental overexposure to it can be dangerous to the nervous system.

    Manganese can affect humans via air, water and soil.

    For example, workers who have been exposed to high industrial doses of manganese have suffered tremors and muscular rigidity, hallucinations, and involuntary laughing and crying. Biochemical analysis of central nervous system tissue in humans poisoned by manganese shows that the metal can cause brain cells to die.

    On the basis of his published laboratory research, Cambridge's Brown believes that manganese may play an important role in a complex process that eventually destroys the brain, both in cows and humans.

    David Brown agrees with the conventional view that the key agent in the disease is a protein called a "prion." These prions are thought to keep nerve cells stable. The conventional view holds that prions can somehow become malformed and that's when they become infectious and capable of damaging the brain.

    The malformed prion, then, according to the conventional view, is the infectious and transmissible agent in mad cow disease and vCJD. The infection is neither a virus, nor a bacterium.

    A Metal Can Change Brain Chemistry

    Brown parts company here with the conventional view, altogether dismissing the notion of an "infectious" prion. He told me: "I have [published] evidence from my cell culture experiments that shows manganese can change the prion into its abnormal [and dangerous] form." This is especially the case when the supply of copper to the cell is low.

    If David Brown's research is on a correct path, then scientific and public concerns about infection from beef could eventually be dwarfed by concerns about toxic effects in the environment that cause copper levels to decrease and manganese levels to rise.

    Because Brown's research shows that he can change the prion from its normal to abnormal state by manipulating the only two metals that bind to it, copper and manganese, without the need for any infectious material, he believes the reigning theory about mad cow disease and vCJD is at best incomplete, and quite likely incorrect.

    So, he sees it as plausible that what is seen in the test tube may also occur in humans who are environmentally exposed to excess amounts of manganese. (The metal's ancient Greek name is manganin, which means the occult, voodoo or black magic.)

    In fact, Brown's research has given a boost to the controversial theories of Mark Purdey, a farmer turned amateur scientist who has been challenging the conventional view of mad cow disease and vCJD from the start.

    He has provided detailed reports to the British government's hearings on mad cow disease and has published several peer-reviewed scientific papers on the subject, including data on how manganese in the environment may play a role in both mad cow disease and vCJD.

    Purdey never bought into the conventional wisdom. "It never made any sense to me," he said in an interview from his farm in Taunton, England.
     
    #48     Jan 4, 2004
  9. Pesticides May Play Role, Too

    His battle goes back to 1984 when farmers in many locales were ordered by the government to use an organophosphate pesticide (Phosmet) to fight off the warble fly, a parasite that lays eggs under the skin of cattle. Purdey, who operates an organic farm, refused to do so, went to court and won.

    This pesticide, a constituent of nerve gas, was applied on the back of the cow along its spinal column.

    When mad cow disease erupted, Purdey noticed that the disease occurred on farms where the pesticide was used and not on those which, like his, it wasn't. He added: "Also, no home-reared cows on organic farms have developed [mad cow disease].

    Purdey then focused his attention on geographic areas where there had been reported clusters of mad cow disease, similar illnesses and vCJD. "I discovered [in sampling soil, water and vegetation] that the common factor in the environment is manganese," he explained. "In some case, huge amounts of it. Also, the amounts of copper in these areas was low."

    He presented his findings in his 28-page scientific paper published last year in the journal Medical Hypothesis.

    For example, in Iceland, he found high levels of manganese deposits in valleys where a sheep disease, scrapie, similar to mad cow disease flourished. Valleys with normal manganese levels were scrapie-free.

    In Colorado, he found deer herds with high incidence of a mad cow-like wasting disease were eating pine needles loaded with manganese. "I brought the pine needles home and had them tested and the manganese was excessively high."

    Closer to home, Purdey has also investigated several cases of vCJD in the area of the village of Queniborough and discovered that soil and water samples showed high to very high levels of manganese. In the '80s and '90s a dye-works plant operated in Queniborough. Manganese is used in dyes, he said, adding that villagers remembered days when a cloud of yellow dust would settle in the area.

    All his digging around has led to a highly detailed theory for mad cow disease: In short:
    The high doses of organophosphates that were poured on the cows' spines and poisoned the bodies decreased the amount of copper in cells.
    The feed given to animals in the '80s contained high amounts of manganese, some of it derived from chicken manure of chickens fed high doses of manganese to strengthen egg shells. Supplemental powders and mineral licks with manganese were sometimes added to feed troughs.
    The depletion of copper and the high manganese changes normal prions to abnormal, thus setting the stage for disease.

    Purdey believes vCJD is also likely triggered by similar environmental factors.

    But NIH's Paul Brown told me that this alternative theory is among those he views as "nonsense," referring me to his BMJ paper of April 7.

    In it, he states that the theory that organophosphates are involved in mad cow disease fails to account for the evidence that the disease can be experimentally transmitted.

    Purdey counters that the disease is not transmitted experimentally when processed beef products are used. Only when tissue directly from cows is ground up and mixed. "Humans and cattle obviously do not eat this concentrated so-called bovine homogenate," he explained. "This is not the correct way to do science."

    When the homogenate is used, theorizes Purdey, its toxicity, due to changes in its arrangement of metals, may lead to a change in prions from their normal to an abnormal state.

    The NIH's Brown, also writing in BMJ, raises the question of why Japan has been mad-cow free since it uses organophosphates extensively.

    Purdey's response is that Britain's use of Phosmet, unlike elsewhere, was four times the maximum dose and that it was an oil-based application that entered the cows' blood stream. "You can't just simply throw around the idea that everyone uses organophosphates the same way."

    More Research Necessary

    So where do we stand on this issue? Obviously the mainstream infectious model of what mad cow disease is all about holds sway and is likely to continue to do so. Unless, of course, more research funding is granted to nay-sayers like Purdey and Cambridge's David Brown that makes for compelling science and headlines.

    The British government has paid some lip service to Purdey's ideas — they have been discussed in the House of Commons — and has promised him some research funding. But so far, no dice.

    David Brown of Cambridge, while cautious about his and Purdey's challenge to conventional thinking on mad cow disease and vCJD, said that "science should be open to these possibilities, particularly since there is still a lot of mystery surrounding these outbreaks."

    David Brown also believes that ignoring the possibility that environmental factors trigger both animal and human diseases could prevent action from being taken to clean up toxic effects that may be at the root of the problem. "We obviously need much broader research in this entire area," he said.

    This is a battle that will not likely go away. And it shouldn't go away until more research is done to examine the claims — on both sides.



    Nicholas Regush produces medical features for ABCNEWS. In his regularly featured column, he investigates medical trouble spots, heralds innovative achievements and analyzes health trends. His column has been paused while he is on vacation.
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    This or something similar are the only things that answer the wild deer epidemic as they are not carnivores or are fed byproducts.
     
    #49     Jan 4, 2004
  10. Despite USDA reassurances, America's beef supply -- and its citizens -- are at risk

    One week after confirming the nation's first case of mad cow disease, the U.S. Agriculture Dept. took a first step toward dealing with the crisis. On Dec. 30, Agriculture Secretary Ann M. Veneman announced that "downer" cows, which are animals too sick to walk, will no longer end up on our dinner plates. Falling down is a key symptom of mad cow disease -- otherwise known as bovine spongiform encephalopathy (BSE) -- yet meat from hundreds of thousands of lame cows was being packed up and sent to supermarkets every year. The ban on that practice is the linchpin in the USDA's response to the incident, which also includes a provision outlawing the use of heads, spinal tissue, and other potentially infectious body parts from older cows in human food.

    On the surface, it may look like the USDA is finally waking up. But these new measures are not enough. For years, and even today, the department has insisted that the nation's beef supply is not at risk. Its downplaying of the disease is reminiscent of the British government's initial reaction to an outbreak in England of mad cow disease in 1989. Then-Agriculture Minister John Gummer even fed his 4-year-old daughter a hamburger on television to prove how safe the meat was. We know what happened in Britain: More than 130 people died, and millions of cattle had to be destroyed. Eventually, though, the Brits got their act together and now have a rigorous testing program in place. Here in the U.S., though, the USDA caved to strong lobbying by cattlemen who opposed stricter, more expensive controls.

    Other countries do much more to protect their citizens. In Japan, all cattle slaughtered for food, and, in Europe, all such cattle age 30 months and older, are tested for BSE -- costing just a few cents per pound. That compares with just 20,000 cattle tested in the U.S., or less than 0.001% of the 36 million animals slaughtered here each year.

    Now the cattle industry's successful lobbying is coming back to haunt it. Health issues, of course, remain paramount, but there's big money at risk here, too. Upon the discovery of the sick U.S. cow, 30 countries banned imports of American beef, including Japan, Australia, and Mexico. Those bans of U.S. beef exports could cost the economy $2 billion in 2004, estimates Chris Hurt, a Purdue University agricultural economist.

    Despite the USDA's reassurances, many food-safety experts fear that the ban on feeding bovine by-products to other cows won't actually protect America from mad cow disease. That's because it has some gaping loopholes. First, the ban doesn't outlaw the feeding of cow's blood to other cows. Beef farmers often feed dried cattle blood to calves as a supplement to promote faster weight gain. Some experts worry that could spread BSE.

    If that's not enough to turn you into a vegetarian, consider a second loophole: The regulations don't ban feeding cattle by-products to poultry and poultry droppings to cattle. Poultry is not susceptible to mad cow disease, but it's possible that the illness could be passed through them to cattle because commercial cow feed often contains a mix of poultry droppings and grain. "We know this is a disease that's transmitted through feeding, yet we still feed billions of pounds of cow by-products back to livestock," says John Stauber, co-author of the 1997 book Mad Cow USA: Could the Nightmare Happen Here? "The reality is, this ban is fatally flawed."

    Our food supply may never be completely safe until all beef is tested. The USDA says it's considering additional testing. The beef industry isn't yet convinced it needs to change, though so far it hasn't approved new tests that return results in a few hours, rather than the eight days or more that current tests take. "We believe it's a waste of resources to test every animal," says Gary Weber, executive director of regulatory affairs for the National Cattleman's Beef Assn.

    That's a weak argument. Think about it this way: Even though the risks of human illness are slight, a few cents per pound isn't a high cost for assurance that the steak on our dinner tables isn't going to kill us. That logic shouldn't be too hard for the Ag Dept. and the cattle industry to figure out.

    By Arlene Weintraub
    With Janet Ginsburg in Chicago


    http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/04_02/b3865034.htm






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    #50     Jan 5, 2004