Does anyone actually believe in God or are they just afraid...

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Joe, Apr 22, 2014.

  1. Physicists have still NOT renounced the idea of a multiverse!!

    Where are the atheists (so-called) to demand proof of their existence? Have they abandoned their principles??

    We know for a fact that a multiverse does not exist because we can apply the same logic:

    FACT: There is no past verifiable proof of a multiverse.
    FACT: There is no verifiable proof of a multiverse in the present.
    FACT: Because we can see infinitely into all future time, we know there will never be proof of a multiverse in the future.

    This is iron-clad logic. It must be what the Pope of Atheism, Richard Dawkins, follows.

    Atheists (so-called) MUST DEMAND that physicists stop believing in such Tooth Fairies!! Next, they will start postulating about Flying Spaghetti Monsters!! Any further inquiry must stop NOW!

    DEMAND THEY STOP LOOKING!! STOP! STOP! STOP!!!!!!!!

    Thank you.
     
    #221     Apr 30, 2014
  2. ============
    Well, Joe, you did notice some valid patterns;
    easier to talk than walk.:D

    Fear of God, could be a valid reason to believe , perhaps not the best reason.But since about 24,000 people get struck by lightning[about 58/+, in US]; that is a an acceptable reason to recieve the death, burial, resurrection of Jesus Christ according to the holy scriptures.

    As far as the gate being strait+ few finding Him, that proves holy scripture ; it does not disprove Holy Scripture. Good question
     
    #222     Apr 30, 2014
  3. jem

    jem

    #223     Apr 30, 2014
  4. jem

    jem

    no -- in our universe the value could not be zero... if you change the cosmological constant by about -.122 or larger our universe would have crunched our universe or torn it apart. The cosmological constant balances out gravity... that perfectly. It is that finely tuned.

    Do you really not understand the concept of fine tuning of this universe? or are you just trolling?
    While the universe had infinite combinations possible... the combinations which could have allowed us to come into existence are incredible finely tuned.
    Don't you get it. Do you not watch the videos?

    If you change the Cosmological Constant by just one part in .0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 (count 122 zeros) the universe ceases to exist.

    The Standard model of the universe has 20 or so constants tuned to 32 decimal places. If you change a constant ever so slightly the universe ceases to exist.

    Virtually no one with a brain thinks that kind of tuning can happen by random chance if there is only one universe.



     
    #224     Apr 30, 2014
  5. stu

    stu

    If I got all information from only watching the videos you do, then I'd understand as little as you.

    what you say is untrue.....it simply is not known what value the cosmological constant will turn out to be. And anyway......

    http://www.technologyreview.com/vie...-laws-of-physics-are-not-fine-tuned-for-life/

    But I'll let the Captain say it for me perhaps you'll understand better
    ..and there's you all the time Captain, saying how its all "atheists" who need to have an open mind and some humility, when the one here being a closed minded settled science know it all is a rabid theist.
     
    #225     Apr 30, 2014
  6. stu

    stu

    ...the planet :p
     
    #226     Apr 30, 2014
  7. Have the atheists (so-called) stopped that physicists idea nonsense yet?...

    Because as surely as night follows day (or, is that day follows night....?)

    First it is "Multiverse", then it will be Spaghetti Monsters. That is not a non sequitur assertion, it is a FACT since "S" follows "M" in the alphabet! It is the natural order of how that works! FACT! Look it up!!

    Atheists must not be hypocrites and let these physicists get away with such nonsense! Stop them! NOW!!
     
    #227     Apr 30, 2014
  8. jem

    jem

    First of all Stu... let me congratulate for the first time (maybe the second time) in 5-10 years in which you produced science to counter the science I was linking to.
    I guess you finally figured your troll bullshit had lost all credibility.

    As your article states its pretty well settled that the cosmological constant is tuned to 122 places... but your scientist might have found a hint that it might not be the case.


    good... let the SCIENCE, not stu bullshit, challenging the idea of our constants in our universe being finely tuned... finely begin here on ET.



    Here is the link to the cornell library to the paper your article cited....
    http://arxiv.org/abs/1101.2444


    Preliminary Inconclusive Hint of Evidence Against Optimal Fine Tuning of the Cosmological Constant for Maximizing the Fraction of Baryons Becoming Life

    Don N. Page
    (Submitted on 12 Jan 2011 (v1), last revised 28 Jan 2011 (this version, v2))
    The effective coupling `constants' of physics, especially the cosmological constant, are observed to have highly biophilic values. If this is not a hugely improbable accident, or a consequence of some mysterious logical necessity or of some simple principle of physics, it might be explained as a consequence either of an observership selection principle within a multiverse of many sets of effective coupling constants, or else of some biophilic principle that fine tunes the constants of physics to optimize life. Here a very preliminary inconclusive hint of evidence is presented against the hypothesis of optimal fine tuning of the cosmological constant by a biophilic principle that would maximize the fraction of baryons that form living organisms or observers.
     
    #228     Apr 30, 2014
  9. Ricter

    Ricter

    Excellent way to generate Stu's interest in your reply!
     
    #229     Apr 30, 2014
  10. jem

    jem

    Here is a quote from Stu's paper. Pretty much confirming what I have been saying is the state of science for the last 5-10 years here on ET.

    http://arxiv.org/pdf/1101.2444v2.pdf

    1 Introduction
    It has long been recognized that many of the apparent constants of physics are
    observed to take values that are much more biophilic (in the sense of being conducive
    to life and observership) than values significantly different are believed to be [1, 2,
    3, 4, 5, 6, 7]. For example, the cosmological constant (or dark energy density)
    that quantifies the gravitational repulsion of empty space is roughly 122 orders
    of magnitude smaller than the Planck value, but if it were just a few orders of
    magnitude larger than its tiny positive observed value [8, 9], with the other constants
    of physics kept the same, life as we know it would appear to be very difficult.
    A partial explanation for this apparent fine tuning is the anthropic principle
    [1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7], that as observers we can observe only conditions (including the
    constants of physics) that permit our existence. However, it has been controversial
    what the deeper implications of this are.
    One view is it is purely an accident or coincidence that the constants of physics
    have biophilic values, and that there is no deeper explanation. However, the fact
    that the cosmological constant is roughly 122 orders of magnitude smaller than the
    apparently simplest natural nonzero value for it (the Planck value) cries out for
    an explanation beyond pure coincidence, since the probability of such a remarkable
    coincidence from a random selection of the cosmological constant with a measure
    uniformly distributed over a range roughly the Planck value is extremely low, much
    less than the probability of having a monkey randomly type on a simple typewriter
    in one go,
    The cosmological constant is 10^(-122) in Planck units
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    by the way... the next section should disabuse Stu of more of his 7 years of bullshit..
     
    #230     Apr 30, 2014