Do You Think Trading is Gambling?

Discussion in 'Psychology' started by nysestocks, Jan 17, 2009.

Do You Think Trading is Gambling?

  1. Yes

    140 vote(s)
    44.7%
  2. No

    173 vote(s)
    55.3%
  1. cookding

    cookding

    Trading is exact opposite of gambling... if you are gambling, you are not trading.
     
    #531     Apr 10, 2009
  2. mtt

    mtt

    If you don't have a solid trading plan and are throwing money into the market without understanding what is going on, then you're gambling.
     
    #532     Apr 12, 2009
  3. Trish2

    Trish2


    No difference. Both are losing.
     
    #533     Apr 12, 2009
  4. Trading requires a plan to succeed, just as with any business. Gambling takes luck, or card counting. Either way, without planning, you're going to lose, so it has to do with whether there's a plan. No plan means you are gambling. If you have a plan and compare yourself to benchmarks, you'll do fine. It's when you get stupid and overleverage yourself causing you to nuke your account that makes trading the same as gambling. As long as you understand this and have taken enough years to find your edge, yes, years, then you'll do fine trading.

    Investing has positive expectancy, and gambling has negative expectancy, and this is the main difference. While most traders do lose, it is because they have no plan. Taking the time to develop one will keep it from "seeming like" gambling. Again, this takes at least two years, three and you'll start to be long term profitable.
     
    #534     Apr 12, 2009
  5. dsss27

    dsss27

    "Speculation [trading] is often misunderstood as being the same as gambling, when in fact it is the opposite of gambling. What gambling involves, whether in games of chance or in actions like playing Russian roulette, is creating a risk that would not exist, in order either to profit or to exhibit one's skill or lack of fear. What economic speculation [trading] involves is coping with an inherent risk in such a way as to minimize it and to leave it to be borne by whoever is best equipped to bear it."

    -Thomas Sowell, Basic Economics-a common sense guide to the economy
     
    #535     Apr 12, 2009
  6. jalee25

    jalee25

    yes or no, depending on your reason(s) for placing trades.
     
    #536     Apr 12, 2009
  7. nysestocks

    nysestocks Guest

    Ring up any of the people who "invested" their money with Mr Madoff, and see what answer they will give!!

    There is only 1 effective way to correctly cope with "inherent risk", and you will not find it from the mouths of others!
     
    #537     Apr 13, 2009
  8. Yip...just like blackjack.
     
    #538     Apr 13, 2009
  9. Mr J

    Mr J

    It happens all the time. Losing gamblers/traders nearly always take bad prices at bad times, and therefore are making poor trades. However, even a poor trade has a chance of profit. Same applies for gambling.

    You could also look at the reverse situation - how could we be right about the outcome, but lose the bet? Any half-decent trader will say they lose many they often lose with good trades, that is that the initial situation was good for trading and the trade just didn't work out that time.

    I forgot to state that by "outcome", I'm talking about the right side to take before the game/trade, not the result itself. If we're talking about the result itself, then a gambler can't be wrong about the income and win the bet, since in gambling you either win or lose the stake completely.
     
    #539     Apr 14, 2009
  10. u21c3f6

    u21c3f6

    Part of the problem of course is semantics. Everyone is applying "their" definition to "gambling" such as the statement above. While I understand what you mean, you also limited your definition of "gambling" to total win or lose wagers. This is not so in live in-game wagering. In fact, live in-game wagering is very much like the options market with a compressed time-frame. I use the same methodoly to invest/wager (pick one) in both.

    Joe.
     
    #540     Apr 15, 2009