Do You Think Trading is Gambling?

Discussion in 'Psychology' started by nysestocks, Jan 17, 2009.

Do You Think Trading is Gambling?

  1. Yes

    140 vote(s)
    44.7%
  2. No

    173 vote(s)
    55.3%
  1. ElCubano

    ElCubano

    are u sure?
     
    #361     Feb 5, 2009
  2. ssss

    ssss

    There is no "gambling" activity where one could do that.

    Trading is a game if SKILL!
    ##########################


    Take case of most famous operator

    Martin Schwartz,Mark D.Cook ,Mark Minervini

    1. They all are professional ,no retail

    2. Mark D.Cook was near bankruptcy
    Martin Schwartz loosed multiple years

    After that Martin Schwartz performed some 30 time'S in three years on start capital in today price more as 100 000 $


    But operators ,mentioned above,statisticaly one from 1-10 mln .

    How many professional with equal qualification
    loosed the game ?

    On one Martin Schwartz ,which won with mutiple years loss in trading records ,exist multiple
    hundreds professional#s ,which loose


    It is fight with windmill

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0EXYcG9f3Uo
     
    #362     Feb 5, 2009
  3. ssss

    ssss

    Readiness for risk in most of the case related
    to social group of operator ,but not related to scientific point of view


    If retail operator would loss long term through
    multiple operations with small risk ,social
    group of small citizen would say -okay

    If operator would lose 100% with one operations
    this social group would say -gambling ,against
    norm of moral


    But from scientific point of view -if objective of operator good win under contitions of no edge
    scientfic point of view
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    limited /very limited qunatities of operations
    with heavy bet(risk 50-100%)


    That would not accepted from moral of social group of small citizen's

    Long game ,under contitions -no edge
    make chance for loss more .

    If operator going to casino and make small bet
    (1% from capital) infinitly he would lose ,as casino have advantage 51.60 to 48.40 (in Montecarlo event game)
     
    #363     Feb 5, 2009
  4. gnome

    gnome

    Of course. 100% positive.

    In a gambling game, the house has an edge with the odds. A gambler is attempting to win in the short run against the odds. (And then quit before the odds catch up with him.)

    In the long run, [nearly] all gamblers lose if they play long enough.

    How else would they build all of those casinos?
     
    #364     Feb 5, 2009
  5. ElCubano

    ElCubano

    in poker the house does not have an edge....poker is not gambling perhaps....
     
    #365     Feb 5, 2009
  6. Markets offer transparency, a game of poker does not nor does a roulette wheel or a slot machine.


    Gamblers don't need/use transparency, they just rely on odds and gaming theories.





    Dackster.
     
    #366     Feb 5, 2009
  7. ct_nz

    ct_nz

    I have played blackjack for a living and that wasn't gambling either.

    You can gamble but not if you are a professional. As my mentor Jerry Simmons says "it is an exercise in odds and probabilities" or as I say it "applied statistics".

    You will not win 100% of the time but you should win more than you lose. You may have a setup which is 70% profitable or win 7 out of 10 times. you will win in the long run. Which 3 are the losers you will never know before hand. You can also have 10 losses in a row, that is statistical variation, you can also have 10 winners in a row. But play 100 setups and you should come close to 70 wins and 30 losses.

    Gambling is if you are trading and don't know what you are doing. You won't be gambling but losing.
     
    #367     Feb 5, 2009
  8. u21c3f6

    u21c3f6

    I am sure there are many that could disprove what you wrote. I have found that when someone makes the above statement about gambling, they are usually referring to the fixed-odds Vegas type gambling such as craps and roulette.

    I make money most days.. nearly all weeks and months... and year after year on live sportsbook betting. I am sure there are many others and others that profit from blackjack, poker, horseracing and jai alai.

    Do I have a "skill" or am I just "gambling"?

    Joe.
     
    #368     Feb 5, 2009
  9. ssss

    ssss

    I have played blackjack for a living and that wasn't gambling either.

    You can gamble but not if you are a professional. As my mentor Jerry Simmons says "it is an exercise in odds and probabilities" or as I say it "applied statistics".

    You will not win 100% of the time but you should win more than you lose. You may have a setup which is 70% profitable or win 7 out of 10 times. you will win in the long run. Which 3 are the losers you will never know before hand. You can also have 10 losses in a row, that is statistical variation, you can also have 10 winners in a row. But play 100 setups and you should come close to 70 wins and 30 losses.

    Gambling is if you are trading and don't know what you are doing. You won't be gambling but losing.
    #####################################

    It is definitly lies

    Who interessed ,can read good book -Mathematic
    of playing blackjack
     
    #369     Feb 5, 2009
  10. ssss

    ssss

    I make money most days.. nearly all weeks and months... and year after year on live sportsbook betting. I am sure there are many others and others that profit from blackjack, poker, horseracing and jai alai.

    Do I have a "skill" or am I just "gambling"?

    Joe.
    #####################

    It is definitly lies

    1. Retail have no any edge
    Profesisonal taked spread ,used foreign money and use information ,which
    retail received (in best case) some later
    2. - spread,-commission -tax

    Great win by retail possible rare and sued for propaganda

    Take statistic from fxcm king of the micro

    http://www.forexmicrolot.com/king-micro-trading-contest.html
    For last 5 years some 300 000 man -attempts
    Last time approx 10 000 attempts per month
    Best result 2300 % on 500 $
    on capital 2800 $ some 1500 %

    some 5 results 800-900%
    some 10 results 500 -700%


    But more as 90% would lose to end of the year .

    You can monitor development of contest -best 10 winner and 10 loosers each day

    https://secure.ibfx.com/contest/contestresults.aspx
     
    #370     Feb 5, 2009