Do you think it's legal?

Discussion in 'Prop Firms' started by BigBang, Jan 10, 2013.

  1. BigBang


    My friend worked for a Prop firm in Wall Str for 4 months, then he wanted to quit. But the firm wouldn't give him his account balance, because they said that it's CBOE rule that the risk capital contributed should be kept for one year. Is this a scam or common? Can anyone answer this question?

    And there is another question:
    I recently received an offer of Prop trader,
    the offer is:
    I contribute Risk capital: 3K
    Firm give me :50K
    profit split: 80/20, they took 20%
    Commision: 1.5 / 100shares(round)
    7.5/ 1000shares (round)
    No formal training, but a mentor who train you everyday.
    Do you guys think this is a good offer?
    Thanks for your answers!
  2. JamesL


    It's a rule. If your buddy worked at this firm, then he took a licensing test and should be more than well aware of this rule.
  3. Samsara


    You'll be gone in a few months with those commission rates. Run as fast as you can, and name the firm so that future new traders don't get duped.
  4. BigBang


    Thank you! My buddy didn't know that. Is that part of Series 56?
  5. BigBang


    But the guy in the company said it's the lowest commission (1.5/ 100 shares) everyone uses that.

    And he said if I contribute more, I get more profit split. I can get 95% profit split if contribute 10K.
  6. If by 1.5/100 shares, you mean $1.50 per 100 shares traded, it's extremely high for the prop industry.

    Anything over a penny a share is absurd.
  7. A penny a share is absurd even..
  8. Samsara


    He is lying to your face. That commission <i>might</i> have been market rate in, say, 1998. If you contribute 10k to interactive brokers you get .005, with enough leverage to still damage yourself at your stage of the learning curve. You don't get past the pdt rule in equities at retail, but you have the option of also trading futures (which does). In prop nowadays, about .004 - .007 is around entry.

    Aside from that, profit split does not matter at your level, commission does. Trying to lure you into giving him even more $, which is guaranteed to go directly to him, by negotiating on the split and not the commission, is a gimmick.

    Trust me, many of us know what he is doing. It's called "churn and burn." Do your due diligence. This is 100% a losing bet for you.
  9. $1.50 per 100 shares? If you do good enough volume that is the rate you should be paying per 1,000 shares.
    For newbies like yourself starting off at low volume anywhere from .004-.005 per share with 99% payout is a decent starting point. Find a firm you are comfortable with and offers exceptional support and guidance it would be worth it paying the few extra bucks a month for the .005 rate. All in all your offer sucks, and at those rates you will lose most of it in the market, and the prop firm will make a few bucks from it, which is all they seem to care about at those rates!

  10. 1.5/100 is a total ripoff. edward jones should be less than that
    #10     Jan 11, 2013