Do you support a Mosque at Ground Zero?

Discussion in 'Politics' started by nitro, Aug 9, 2010.

Do you support a mosque at Ground Zero?

  1. Yes. Personal grief does not invalidate constituational rights.

    25 vote(s)
    24.8%
  2. No. Are you friggin kidding me? Over my dead body.

    61 vote(s)
    60.4%
  3. I don't know.

    2 vote(s)
    2.0%
  4. I don't care

    13 vote(s)
    12.9%
  1. Lucrum

    Lucrum

    Oh I just like pissing off pantie waste, flaming liberal, closet gay, spelling Nazi's with country envy like you I guess.
     
    #71     Aug 17, 2010
  2. Hello

    Hello

    Work on your own spelling before you try to fix other peoples.

    It is spelled fascinating, not facinating. Note the fact there is an S in fascinating for future reference.


     
    #72     Aug 17, 2010
  3. August 08, 2010
    Newsweek columnist says US funding mosque construction
    Lee DeCovnick

    Truth, even in the tightly controlled prison of the Obama media complex, occasionally bursts forth like a swordfish cavorting on the waves of a golden August afternoon.

    Newsweek, the Washington Post's former progressive stepchild, published an op-ed by Fareed Zakaria, the in-house lapdog for the Administration, extolling the virtues of building the Ground Zero Mosque. A couple of sentences demand a great deal more explanation.

    To that end, early in its tenure the Bush administration began a serious effort to seek out and support moderate Islam. Since then, Washington has funded mosques, schools, institutes, and community centers that are trying to modernize Islam around the world.

    We should be encouraging groups like the one behind this project, not demonizing them. Were this mosque being built in a foreign city, chances are that the U.S. government would be funding it.

    Perhaps we all missed the memo where US taxpayers are gleefully funding Islamic "mosques, schools, institutes, and community centers" around the globe. Of course, US troops have restored hundreds of schools and community centers in Iraq and Afghanistan, but mosques and Islamic institutes? This seems very difficult to believe.

    So, as an enraged and curious taxpaying citizen, I have a few questions for Mr. Zakaria, our Congress and this Administration. What are the locations, costs, and dates of construction of these US taxpayer-funded mosques and Islamic institutes? If some of these mosques were built in the America, didn't anyone contact the ACLU? (I would pay real money to be in "the room" during that discussion.) What particular piece of Congressional legislation authorized US taxpayer dollars to be spent on these mosques and Islamic institutes? Did our government apportion these funds fairly and equally between the Shi'a, Sunni, and Sufi sects of Islam?

    The Constitution states "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;" I'm damn sure spending US taxpayer dollars on constructing mosques was not envisioned by the Founding Fathers nor by the overwhelming majority of American citizens.
     
    #73     Aug 17, 2010
  4. Obama said he can't comment on the wisdom of the decision of putting the Mosque at Ground Zero.

    Pffttttt... who needs him.
     
    #74     Aug 17, 2010
  5. You are correct. This was a typo, and can be confirmed as such by my proper spelling of the word "fascinating" in all other instances in the past. Feel free to do a search. In contrast, Lucrum always spelled it "panty waste," therefore it was not just a typo in his case. Even so, I should have been more careful.
     
    #75     Aug 17, 2010
  6. Picaso

    Picaso

    There is a Christian Cathedral next to the dome in Hiroshima
     
    #76     Aug 17, 2010
  7. Yannis

    Yannis

    Our Clueless Professor
    by Patrick J. Buchanan


    On Friday night, at a White House iftar, the breaking of the Ramadan fast, Obama strode directly into the blazing controversy over whether a mosque should be built two blocks from Ground Zero.

    Speaking as though this were simply an open-and-shut case of constitutional law, Professor Obama declared that Muslims "have the same right to practice their religion as anyone else in this country," including "the right to build a place of worship and a community center on private property in lower Manhattan."

    Hailed by Mayor Michael Bloomberg, who also sees this as an issue of tolerance and religious freedom, Obama had poured gasoline on a fire that had him in headlong retreat Saturday morning.

    "I was not commenting and I will not comment on the wisdom of making the decision to put a mosque there. I was commenting very specifically on the right people have that dates back to our founding. That is what our country is about."

    Professor Obama finally seemed to grasp the point.

    This is not a question of "Can they build a mosque near Ground Zero?"

    It is an question of "Should they build a mosque in the shadow of the twin towers, where 3,000 Americans were suffocated, crushed or burned to death by Islamic fanatics whose Muslim faith was integral to their mission of mass murder and to their identify?"

    Unless one is without kidney, spleen, heart or common sense, the answer would be "No!"

    A decent respect for the opinions of one's fellow Americans would seem to shout out: Put the mosque somewhere else. This is hallowed ground. This is a burial site sacred to the families of those who died, to New Yorkers, to all Americans. A Muslim mosque is out of place there.

    Indeed, if, as backers claim, the purpose of this Cordoba mosque and community center were healing, reconciliation and harmony, it has failed in its purpose. It has already had the opposite effect, enraging and dividing the city and country.

    Why would backers of the project press ahead when its purpose is impossible of attainment, unless the real purpose were to impose on the people of New York a mosque they do not want there.

    With the president's intervention, the issue has metastasized into a major clash in America's religious and culture war. It has gone global, as Hamas has now weighed in on the side of building the mosque near Ground Zero.

    "We have to build the mosque, as you are allowed to build the church, and Israelis are building their holy places," said Mahmoud al-Zahar, a co-founder of Hamas and the organization's chief in Gaza.

    His arguments echo Bloomberg's and Obama's: We have the right and we Muslims must now move ahead with the mosque.

    With America's head of state enlisted on one side of this quarrel, and most Americans on the other, damage will be done to the national unity and there will be consequences for the president's party.

    So be it. For if the president believes the Constitution decides this issue with finality, he is profoundly mistaken. We were a country before we ever had a Constitution. We were a nation, born in the furnace of a revolutionary war. That infant nation wrote its own birth certificate, a dozen years after Lexington and Concord Bridge.

    While that Constitution guarantees freedom of religious belief and practice to all Americans, we were a Christian country then. And we remain a Christian country, Barack Obama's dissent notwithstanding.

    Three-in-four Americans profess a Christian faith. That reality is not changed because the Warren Court outlawed Bible reading and prayer in public school, ordered the Ten Commandants taken down from classroom walls, purged Christianity from our public institutions or denies to Americans their freedom to put Christmas creches in their public squares.

    Islam is a rising faith, the largest on earth, with 1.5 billion adherents. It is a militant faith that believes it will one day encompass all mankind. It holds there is but one God, Allah, that his last and greatest prophet was Muhammad, that Islam, the path of submission, is the path of salvation. It believes that its sacred book, the Koran, should inform the culture, that Sharia should be the basis of civil law.

    Where it has become the dominant faith, it has been intolerant of rivals, especially Christianity, the faith of the Crusaders.

    By no means are all or most Muslims fanatics of the Osama bin Laden variety, but many are uncompromising in their belief that, once their faith becomes the majority faith in a community or society, Muslims should write the rules and Muslims should make the laws.

    And if Americans believe that Islam is consistent with pluralism, ecumenism and a belief in the equality of all religions and all lifestyles, we are headed for what the Chinese call "interesting times."
     
    #77     Aug 17, 2010
  8. Ricter

    Ricter

    Considering the size of the entire planned facility, its interfaith accessibility, and the relative size of the mosque within it, the entire project is no more a mosque than my local airport is a church because it has a chapel in it. Not to mention there is already a mosque, a real mosque, "at" ground zero, that's been there for 40 years, predating the WTC.
     
    #78     Aug 17, 2010
  9. I was waiting for someone to express that view point. "Cordoba Initative" - how benign, very PC.

    "interfaith accessibility" another important point. Ever walk into a gay bar? Or how about a white man walking into a bar in the hood. They make you feel right at home.:D Did you see what happened to pee wee herman when he walked into a biker bar.
     
    #79     Aug 17, 2010
  10. #80     Aug 17, 2010