Do We Need Indicators?

Discussion in 'Technical Analysis' started by BOC, Mar 5, 2017.

  1. speedo

    speedo

    I use an oscillator as a filter for my price action signals as well as MA's to define geography and further filter signals across time frames. I know traders who do quite well with simply price action. Others, Ken Woody Wood for example espouses using the CCI as the signal itself, which seems to me akin to driving a car using just mirrors, but it's not for me to say what works or doesn't work for someone else. Bottom line...it's a question you have to answer for yourself, we all see thing differently.
     
    #11     Mar 5, 2017
  2. w4rn1ng

    w4rn1ng

    Indicators just show you information that the naked eye cannot see/process otherwise.

    In that sense, they are extremely useful, i could never trade without my indicators.

    Said this, there are a lot of indicators, and most of them are useless and counterproductive.
     
    #12     Mar 5, 2017
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  3. Xela

    Xela


    I know perfectly well what the word "tangible" means, and you knew that: you've just chosen to pretend to misunderstand what I said for the sake of being patronising and pompous about it. :rolleyes:
     
    #13     Mar 5, 2017
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  4. Turveyd

    Turveyd

    No that's false you can see visible times where the indicator traders will jump in and reverse them.
     
    #14     Mar 5, 2017
  5. pann2310

    pann2310

    $bpnya, $nya50r, $nya200r, NYSE A-D line, NYSE TICK, AAII investor survey and market profile.

    Basically I am just trying to put the market into context and form a narrative.
     
    #15     Mar 5, 2017
  6. dealmaker

    dealmaker

    Depends where you are in trading development spectrum. A new trader will find indicators useful as they provide structure, whereas an experienced trader has already developed processes and intuition thus do not need them.
     
    #16     Mar 5, 2017
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  7. soulfire

    soulfire

    Short answer is no, they are not needed to be successful. Longer answer is they may be needed by those who require an assist in reading the market and are having trouble with using just price and volume.

    Using indicators can be compared to using direction technology like a compass or GPS vs an Indian Guide who has a deep experience and intuitively knows geographic location and direction. Indicators can prove useful to those with little experience/skills compared to just wondering in the woods in a clueless state.

    The key thing to remember is that using indicators comes at the cost of edge via delay in determining what the market is doing compared to the person who is skilled enough to see/understand the move without indicators. Using the technology vs Indian Guide analogy- it's akin to the time it takes to for the compass to change direction or GPS to send you new coordinates compared to the Indian Guide who gets the info directly by intuitive experience.

    You also have a more crowded field of competition with folks using the same or similar indicators.

    The long term goal would be to get proficient enough so that one doesn't need to use indicators.
     
    #17     Mar 5, 2017
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  8. Your intrasigence is forever your demise.
     
    #18     Mar 5, 2017
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  9. PistolPete

    PistolPete

    Ok tangible in my case means something measured which either alone or in tandem gives a pattern probability that has a positive rules based expectancy and is actionable .. Not the overbought oversold or diverency BS that dominates popular TA indicators

    Divergence is so unreliable its actually a positive continuation pattern
     
    #19     Mar 6, 2017
  10. I am like look on candlestick pattern without indicator and using crosshail to look on price peak and bottom as trigger analysis, I like with simple analysis because and use stop loss taking profit at least 1:1
     
    #20     Mar 6, 2017