Too bad for me. Re quadrants I feed P on the y axis and V on the x axis. It has to do with the P, V relationship. and the role of each variable. This is tough stuff i guess. I am oriented to making money. Having that orientation i do stuff accordingly. Profits are Y's for me. the pattern is a vertical one. It is referred to as a figure 8. i am going to hang it up on this; it is too difficult to get any reasoning to happen.
Just posted a pic of what a lissajoux looked like since some had PM'd asking what the pattern is. I have the orientation vertical where quad 4 is top left since I know how the derivs relate given there sign orientation... I will post a pic momentarily with the PV quads... The 16 cell form is evading my mental picture. I am hoping that you can provide some clarity there... I know this is not supposed to be difficult stuff, however, I am only providing clarity to a few who have PM'd that they already getting lost. The posting was to simply provide a quick physical image since. I absolutely do not want to mislead or invent which I know you may have already found to be frustrating beyond tolerance.
PV pic... Does anyone have a link to the 16 cell P,V form? Also if it is preferred, I can completely refrain if I am screwing things up. Long transition path attached below.
1/ You are convinced ? That will be the day !lol I would like to see what your researcher comes up with . 2/ Feel free to ask. 3/ Truth was already found and party is going on already.
This is the skill without which there is no consistency of money making. There are some major blocks to acquiring it. E.g., How do you convey believing in the absolute obligation to share responsibilities with the market? How do you convey avoiding having a singular focus on any particular market data? How do you convey removing being right as a focus in trading? None of the blocks are in the data sets the market provides, including trendlines. It seemed to me that this part of the learning wasn't completed the last time around. If you would continue with this discussion, it might promote a lot of growth in people. You've spent a lot of effort laying the foundation. Without chilling the discussion, what can we do to move to new territory building from what we have?
This is old territory which took some time to get across. Many people made good effort in getting it. Getting reasoning to happen is not a difficulty once the connection is made. Apologies for not giving credit to the maker of the this doc. I found it in my archives without the originator's identity.
Perhaps you missed the charts that I posted live a few pages back. http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&postid=743542#post743542 The bottom trendline was drawn from 2 points, which you could refer to as "past" points. The extending trendline from those 2 points "wrote" a possible rhythm of price action for the "future". Lo and behold, that "prewritten" trendline showed its face 2 more time after the "past" price action. Price bounced twice and then broke down from the trendline. You state that trendlines "exist in the past" and that the "future is unwritten". Well, isn't every single thing that we look at on chart "in the past" ?
Just to build on top of what savy is saying, it is acceptable to project the scope and bound of that which is happening now into the future region of the chart based on the relation and dynamics of the two variables being discussed. Two things will happen, either price will continue to abide by the bounds or it will break from the bounds. In order for price to never break from the bounds, it would only be necessary to immediately identify when a new bound/scope is in effect. As an extension of what is being discussed, if volume is continuing to increase, then the Price direction will continue along it's displacment trajectory. Trendlines are a consequence of this logic. What has evidently become fuzzy for many is the subjectiveness of being aware that the points at which a new trends/channels is currently being defined. What has been stated to be the key is to identify how and when a new set of trendlines/channel are emerging for the continuance of extending the scope and boundary into the future. We are being informed that this can be definitively identified given some framework price, volume, and a pair of periodicities. It will be most interesting to build this discussion from this framework and then roll it forward...
One of my favorite posters here, Emil Kraepelin, said it better than I could. If you can't trust Jack to get the little shit right, how can you trust him on the big stuff? It's not "JoKari matrix", it's "JoHari window": http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&postid=533981&highlight=jokari#post533981 And while sounding erudite, it has absolutely nothing to do with any thought process in trading.