Do Shifting Democrat Talking Points Confirm That "Trump Is Unlikely To Be Implicated" In Russia Prob

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    Do Shifting Democrat Talking Points Confirm That "Trump Is Unlikely To Be Implicated" In Russia Probe?



    Over the past several weeks, the Russia-related talking points of Democrats and their mainstream media echo chambers have shifted from constantly insisting that Trump colluded with Russia during the 2016 election to focus on a seemingly irrelevant amount of advertising dollars that may have been spent on various social media platforms by people that "may have been connected" to the Kremlin...which, to our understanding, is defined as anyone with their browser language set to Russian.

    Alas, as the Washington Examiner points out today, this shift in talking points could finally indicate that Democrats are admitting that there is no 'there' there when it comes to the 'Trump collusion' narrative.



    Have you noticed? In recent public comments, the lawmakers investigating the Trump-Russia affair, along with some of the commentators who dissect its every development, seem to be focusing more on the facts of Russia's attempts to interfere with the 2016 election and less on allegations that Donald Trump or his associates colluded with those efforts.



    Why the change?



    "Because that's where the evidence is going," one lawmaker who follows the matter closely told me in a text exchange. "I mean, things could always change, but that observation is just the reality of the situation right now, as I see it."



    "Because they've been spinning their wheels on something for which evidence has yet to emerge," said another lawmaker.



    "I think it's 1) the Mueller probe means that stuff [allegations of collusion] is sort of in his wheelhouse now," said yet another lawmaker, "and 2) I think there's recognition that Trump himself is unlikely to be implicated in this."

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    Meanwhile, the New York Times admitted over the weekend that the 3 separate Congressional investigations are seemingly going nowhere as the hopes of a "comprehensive, authoritative and bipartisan accounting of the extraordinary efforts of a hostile power to disrupt American democracy appears to be dwindling."



    All three committees looking into Russian interference — one in the House, two in the Senate — have run into problems, from insufficient staffing to fights over when the committees should wrap up their investigations. The Senate Judiciary Committee’s inquiry has barely started, delayed in part by negotiations over the scope of the investigation. Leaders of the Senate Intelligence Committee, while maintaining bipartisan comity, have sought to tamp down expectations about what they might find.



    Nine months into the Trump administration, any notion that Capitol Hill would provide a comprehensive, authoritative and bipartisan accounting of the extraordinary efforts of a hostile power to disrupt American democracy appears to be dwindling.

    And even CNN's Chris Cuomo seemingly revealed some frustration and doubt in a recent interview with Adam Schiff saying "if it was so obvious, it if were so egregious, you should have known by now."



    "Well, no one's saying this was obvious," Schiff answered. "Obviously, there was a deep interest in the Russians in keeping their work hidden. But you can't say there's no evidence of collusion."



    "We've seen even in the public realm, I think, very graphic evidence that the Trump campaign was willing to collude with the Russians," Schiff continued. That was most likely a reference to the infamous June 2016 Trump Tower meeting which Kremlin-connected Russians enticed Donald Trump, Jr. into attending by promising dirt on Hillary Clinton. In fact, the Russians wanted to push their goal of killing the Magnitsky Act, and the meeting, by all accounts, ended quickly. But Schiff argues that it suggests the willingness to collude, if not collusion itself.



    "So you can't say even in the public realm, let alone what we're looking at [in secret], that there's no evidence," Schiff concluded. "Now, is there proof beyond a reasonable doubt? Are we ready to announce a conclusion? We're not there yet."

    Of course, it does seem somewhat 'convenient' that Democrats are suddenly eager to bury the Russian collusion narratives just as pressure is building for an investigation into the Clintons' role in a massive Russian bribery, extortion and money laundering scheme that ultimately handed the Russians 20% of America's uranium reserves. For those who missed them, here are out recent notes on the topic:

    So what say you? Is the timing pure coincidence or are the Clintons and Democrats suddenly eager for a truce now the Russia narratives have become "inconvenient."

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-10-23/changing-russia-narrative
     
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  2. Cuddles

    Cuddles

    I've noticed it too. I think it's just the news trying to stay edgy by speculating and keeping viewers watching.

    Mueller's just been too tight lipped and has got that shit on lock. If he's not feeding the media anything, the lazy thing to do is to speculate. About the only one who's been digging is maddow, but she can't hide her bias so many dismiss her.
     
  3. maxpi

    maxpi

    Nobody except Democrats really listens to Democrats that much. I mean, there's an echo chamber. Stories are started at the NYT by writers that annually present a narrative then stick to it for a year. Said stories echo around the liberal papers and sites and that's it. I guess the annual narrative thingy gives readers a sense of security or something, makes them feel like they are right just because the idea is still being talked about after many months...

    Sometimes Trump's tweets are the laser pointer and MSM Democrats are the cats that chase the red dot around. It can be entertaining at times but there is no real reason to watch the MSM unless one likes being told what to think.

    I know a guy that reads the NYT in it's entirety every day. He's disabled after getting mangled by a car while cycling, no job to go to and he reads that s%^t cover to cover. Sometimes he's suicidal almost, other times he's just grumpy. I don't know if his disability is the real reason for that but that dismal NYT has to be contributing to his problems...
     
  4. piezoe

    piezoe

     
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  5. The dem narrative is in trouble.

    When people here the word "Russian" now they have to look just for a second to see if we are talking Hillary or Trump. That is not how the script is supposed to work.

    If you project the trajectory out a bit- especially if the Russian bribery/uranium deal is revisited- I fully expect the dems to start arguing "why are we focusing on all this Russian stuff when we have health care issues and starving people in Puerto Rico?"

    This podesta thing has them worried too because the script does not call for Mueller to go into dem territory but they wanted Mueller to go after Mannaforte bigtime and it turned out that podesta's brother's firm was working for mannaforte. ooopsie daisy!
     
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  6. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

    The Russian narrative has been horseshit since the election and I've been saying that since the election. Nothing has changed.
     
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    elderado

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