Do option holders have any recourse for expirations during a Presidential Order to close exchanges?

Discussion in 'Risk Management' started by Error Correction Funder, Mar 10, 2018.

  1. Cabin111

    Cabin111

    I do covered calls (sell to open) at Schwab...Many would say this is the most conservative option out there. When the option gets bought, Schwab will cover their back side. They will say (in the execution page), potential loss all...The total price of the underlying stock minus the option money. Eyes wide open...
     
    #11     Mar 11, 2018
  2. ajacobson

    ajacobson

    "Nothing on the President's powers, force majeure, or even insolvency. https://www.theocc.com/components/docs/riskstoc.pdf

    Searches for options during 9/11 only talk about put buying before the event.

    3 months and less expiries don't look low systemic risk during these types of scenarios.

    Nothing on the President's powers, force majeure, or even insolvency. https://www.theocc.com/components/docs/riskstoc.pdf

    Searches for options during 9/11 only talk about put buying before the event.

    3 months and less expiries don't look low systemic risk during these types of scenarios."

    Read the ODD again and is discusses what OCC powers if the exchanges are unable to open.

    I've also posted a post 9/11 study of the alleged insider trading.
     
    #12     Mar 11, 2018
  3. Quote it.
     
    #13     Mar 11, 2018
  4. ajacobson

    ajacobson

    They do it by underlying asset class - read it. The real question does the order extend to the clearing organizations as well ? If he closes the clearing firms than nothing moves and everything appears to redate 90 days forward.
     
    #14     Mar 11, 2018
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  5. They do not address this possibility directly but allude to it by listing more common occurrences like circuit breakers. The Act isn't cited or any other detail.

    There is nothing about redating.

    They even go on to say they can restrict exercising on top of trading halts.

    Short dated option holders could easily by wiped out with the writers keeping all the premiums for free.
     
    #15     Mar 11, 2018
  6. Page 70 (the image of a single paragraph) is below and deals with the short side. The long side is the pdf attachment.

    Short version, an exercise restriction has never remained in place until expiration, but could in theory.

    @ajacobson, do you know where one might find the actual language of the options contract?

    I'm under the presumption that unless the restriction is explicitly disclosed in the contract that it would take an act of congress (literally) to undo a contract.
     
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    #16     Mar 12, 2018
  7. Yes, "Other Risks" is what I was referring to.

    No, the risks are clearly described. The options may expire worthless during an Order to close the markets. The contracts won't be cancelled. They simply won't trade and at worst will be forbidden to exercise.
     
    #17     Mar 12, 2018
  8. "Not trading" is not the same as "not exercising". Unless there's a provision written into the actual contract itself regarding restrictions on exercise, the rights survive EVERYTHING short of an act of congress signed by the president. It's the contract clause of the constitution that governs that. So I'd be interested in the exact language contained in the contract itself.
     
    #18     Mar 12, 2018
  9. You linked to the very words regarding restricted exercises in your jpg.
     
    #19     Mar 12, 2018
  10. No, that's the characteristics and risks. It's a disclosure document. I'm interested in the actual contract language. The disclosure does not form a part of the contract.
     
    #20     Mar 12, 2018