Do I Need to Hire a Fundamental Analyst?

Discussion in 'Stocks' started by systematictrader, Jan 18, 2017.


  1. I stay in futures in forex but for pretax money i cant trade those instruments, still workinng on the gallon card, and still
    Worling on starting a hedge fund, from the track record iam doing in futures and forex, giving it another 2 years bfore i claim consistent victory
     
    #41     Jan 18, 2017
  2. birzos

    birzos

    What don't you understand, you're going to have to learn to explore if you want specific answers, and that starts by asking specific questions. An open ended question gets an open ended answer, it's very simple.

    An analyst is only as good as the framework you give them to work in. For that type of information you need access to inside via institutions or direct access.

    Given your sizing why do you think you would be able to access information at the top, from the bottom of the ladder. So you need to analyze what's publicly available better than the other traders, which comes back to the framework.
     
    #42     Jan 18, 2017
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  3. jj90

    jj90

    @RUFUS MREHIN : I had the same issue with incorporating fundamentals into my analysis years ago. I didn't want a massive FA bias in my positions coming from a start in technicals. But you know what, I learned a lot and it never hurt. Now I can read financial statements, run DCFs and understand at a higher level the intricacies of companies.

    Look, the whole I don't want to be biased thing is a non starter. Do you drive looking only out the front windshield? Or do you shoulder check, look at the side mirrors and the rear view as well?
     
    #43     Jan 18, 2017
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  4. i believe i understand, what ur saying is that i need to be more specific in what i ask or hire some analyst for in the sense of i shouldnt be hiring them and saying what u think of this stock? cuz that might lead to may various answers, where as i zoom in precisly on what i want and ask the person to analyze it ill get more precise info,, and yes giving my size u are right i need to best incorporate whats publicly available,,, makes sense,,, thank u
     
    #44     Jan 18, 2017

  5. that makes sense,, quick question to u ,,,, would u say the info u learned and the time it took didnt take much from ur devotion of technicals, in the sense if someone asked u today are u FA or TA would ur answer still be that ur TA and thats the dominant part in ur trading/investing structure?
     
    #45     Jan 18, 2017
  6. jj90

    jj90

    @Rufus Mrehin : It's a part of the skillset. You have to get over the notion that TA is the only way to go. Did it take time? Of course. But it's complementary, not a substitute.

    I argue that if your TA is being overwritten by your pursuit of knowledge in FA, then either you aren't in the right frame of mind, or your TA was shit to begin with.
     
    #46     Jan 19, 2017
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  7. That makes sense
     
    #47     Jan 19, 2017
  8. algofy

    algofy

    In yuur hedge fund the key is adding many fundamental analysts.
     
    #48     Jan 19, 2017
  9. I never consider any potential dividend I might receive. I know, people like to say, "the dividend is getting paid while you wait". But what about the times you wait and the stock drops significantly more than the dividend you earned? Is collecting 6% dividend worth it when you lose 25% on the position? Who's to say "it's gonna come back", and if so, when? What if it's down 50% in 2 years justifying a dividend cut "while you were waiting"?

    Playing to collect a dividend is a "buy and holder's" game.

    I want to be "in something when it's going up" and flat/short something going down... risking only noise counters... to the best I can manage.
     
    #49     Jan 19, 2017
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  10. newwurldmn

    newwurldmn

    It will lose money but possibly outperform the market as the dividend will provide a reason for firms not to liquidate it. There is a lot of research supporting that.

    OP, I like the strategy. You really need to answer one question: are the divs at risk. For example if the company is leasing out office space (like a reit, it might be at risk).

    In this environment a company that pays a 6percent yield has one of two issues: they are passing the tax liability onto you (like a reit) or the market is pessimistic on the future dividend prospects. You need to do just enough analysis to prove the market is wrong.
     
    #50     Jan 19, 2017
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