Do ES daytraders fail because they use 2 point stops?

Discussion in 'Index Futures' started by failed_trad3r, Mar 23, 2010.

  1. Trading for ticks is a form of addiction. I went through that stage myself years ago. All methods are used as an excuse to justify the addition. A false feeling of doing something worthwhile while you are actually playing with noise.

    A master trader is one who learns how to position trade. Both technically and emotionally. Risk management is the key.

    A wealthy trader is one who learns how to ride trends and make the most out of them. Trends of all kinds, lasting from a few days to several months.

    Daytrading in itself is a game of survivorship. Those that win, do so accidentally, they are random picks out of a large universe of failures. Their success is totally random.

    I am still a bit addicted so I day trade a small account ONLY in the direction of my position trades.
     
    #31     Mar 28, 2010
  2. Trading for ticks is a form of addiction. I went through that stage myself years ago. All methods are used as an excuse to justify the addition. A false feeling of doing something worthwhile while you are actually playing with noise.

    It's an addiction if you don't have a methodical way of trading the markets. If you're making impulse decisions, then sure it's an addiction just like gambling


    A master trader is one who learns how to position trade. Both technically and emotionally. Risk management is the key.



    So there are no "master trader" day traders? Only position traders?


    A wealthy trader is one who learns how to ride trends and make the most out of them. Trends of all kinds, lasting from a few days to several months.


    So you can only make money in trending markets?

    You've made some pretty bold/general statements there. Be careful about the beliefs you develop about the markets. They'll limit your abilities more than anything else could.
     
    #32     Mar 28, 2010
  3. The same holds for you too. If you want to be a noise trader, be a noise trader. Nobody is stopping you. It's your money and it's your life.
     
    #33     Mar 28, 2010
  4. traders of any instrument fail because they don't know wtf they're doing

    'if you have to use a Stop you don't know what you're doing'

    what - before you enter it - would constitute a 'wrong trade' ?

    the longer the trading time period the less monitor time required

    not using Stops means several techniques are available:
    Rogue Trading - keep Buying/Selling at lower/higher prices
    Close the trade when the price falls/rises above one's entry price
    S&R trading - Stop and Reverse - or just Reverse which closes the trade and
    enters a new one in the opposite direction
    Reverse button - when available - trading is a lot of fun, a Real swinger's tool
     
    #34     Mar 28, 2010
  5. Its not the stop. Traders fail because they do not take sufficient profits to offset the trading risks.

    2 point stop with 1/2 point profit taking requires > 80% winners just to break even.

    2 point stop with 5 point profit taking only needs 1 in 3 to be profitable.

    2 point stop with 10 point profit taking only needs 1 in 5.
     
    #35     Apr 1, 2010
  6. yepso

    yepso

    It's all Noise. Long term, short term, it's random. Whether someone trades it using statistics and probability, or experience, they pick up on the characteristics that can yield a profit.
     
    #36     Apr 1, 2010
  7. win
     
    #37     Apr 1, 2010

  8. win x2
     
    #38     Apr 8, 2010