Do bonds and stocks really move in the opposite directions?

Discussion in 'Trading' started by 0008, May 16, 2022.

  1. 0008

    0008

    I found many times they move together. Are there any evidences bonds are good buy when the stock market is dropping?
     
  2. maxinger

    maxinger

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  3. Nobert

    Nobert

    When it comes to a longer holding periods, it's a cliche, back from the days when bonds would give an interest of 10%.
     
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  4. nitrene

    nitrene

    In the early credit cycle bonds & stocks both go higher since lower interest rates mean easy borrowing for companies & of course lower rates mean higher bond prices.

    In the late cycle (which we seem to be in) bonds definitely go lower but stocks are a mixed bag. Usually in the early days of the rate rise from the Fed stocks go down but if the rates don't create a lot of slowing of the economy then stocks go up but the sector make of the stocks changes.

    Lower rates means tech, retail, REITs. etc. should do well but in a rising rate environment Energy & Banking do well along with stodgy companies that don't require external funding.

    edit: I added the following

    When the recession comes bonds traditionally rise since it is seen as a safe haven -- this is really only true for Sovereign Debt and not corporates. I believe however this time I'm not sure a downturn would create a lower interest rate so I have a hunch that the US dollar is actually the new Soveriegn Bond.
     
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  5. zdreg

    zdreg

    Bond and stocks move in opposite directions until they don't.
     
  6. [​IMG]

    Only if inflation is low

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  7. xandman

    xandman

    It might be a tighter relationship to real rates or "the direction of".
     
  8. 0008

    0008

    Yes. They move together more than than often.