Do any Hillary supporters care about what Wikileaks has shown?

Discussion in 'Politics' started by jem, Oct 11, 2016.

  1. fhl

    fhl

    #61     Oct 12, 2016
  2. You sound a bit close-minded. The problem is that we are not asked to decide if Trump is the best possible person for president. The question is, is he better than Hillary?
     
    #62     Oct 12, 2016
  3. I for one do not see anything suspicious about a child rape accusation being filed against Trump six weeks before the election for something that allegedly happened 21 years ago. It's not like it makes these girls look like opportunists or anything.

    The last republican candidate murdered the wife of a worker in a plant he looted. He tortured his dog and didn't pay any tax. His VP was seen by millions pushing an elderly woman in a wheel chair off a cliff.
     
    #63     Oct 12, 2016
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  4. RRY16

    RRY16

    Case in point- Bob Weir of the Grateful Dead is a member of the Bohemian Club(Bohemian Grove).
     
    #64     Oct 12, 2016
  5. Zzzz1

    Zzzz1

    I could not agree more. Exactly reflective of my state of mind as well. It is unreal how he can now go to war with the entire Republican base and still have a shot at the presidency. If he loses the election he must be the most hated man in America.

     
    #65     Oct 12, 2016
  6. piezoe

    piezoe

    Well Granny off the cliff, and the Romney "murdering" someone was ridiculous political crap. Though it wasn't so ridiculous for people to be shown what happens to companies when a leveraged buyout is used to raid a companies treasury using the companies own money. Huff Post was not talking politics, however, they were talking, according to statutory law, an adult raping a child! They were talking the kind of stuff that gets you sent to prison. There would seem to be an opportunist element to this based on the timing, that's true. But there also seems to be, if the Huff story is correct, an abundance of corroboration. If the accuser and the witnesses are to be believed, then this is not just serious stuff; this is very serious stuff. If trump seems to be losing it a bit, then I think I would be too, were I him. He's in really big trouble. From his perspective, this election is now small stuff compared to what's coming if the court lets this case go through. The explanation of why she did not come forward before seems quite believable. It can't go forward, in any case, unless they get an exception to the statute of limitations. But something tells me they will get that exception. Did you read that report in Huff? Oh, my god! Serious stuff here!!! Let's hope none of it is true.
     
    #66     Oct 12, 2016
  7. piezoe

    piezoe

    You know I have changed my mind a bit about Hillary. I was a Bernie supporter, as you probably know. I had some strong disagreements with him on an issue or two but overall I was pleased with his positions. And I was against Hillary because I thought it was a very bad idea to have these dynasties, like Adams and Adams, Bush and Bush, and now Bill and Hillary. But on closer examination, I'm not sure that this is a logical reason to reject her. Yes I much preferred Sanders over Clinton. But I really don't think my dynasty objection stands up very well to scrutiny. She is unabashedly and terribly ambitious, and some of us may be automatically turned off by that -- though that attitude doesn't stand up well to scrutiny either. She is also smart, experienced, and articulate. The latter is something Trump is not. He does not seem to have any understanding of issues beyond the surface. I don't think he reads. And he's been a very shitty business man. He has had like six bankruptcies, has a reputation for not honoring contracts, and just seems to be a horrible person to do business with judging by the hundreds of law suits, and all those who have said he did not pay them for agreed upon work. I'm not crazy about Hillary, but she knows how government works and she seems to listen. At least she listened to Bernie and his supporters. I admit I find her a bit annoying at times and I think John Kerry has been a better Secretary of State.

    As far as all those so called scandals go, I've never seen anything to convince me that she ever did anything intentionally illegal. She had some good friends in the right places and some information that you or I would have liked to have had, but I don't think there was anything illegal. You know when you're an ivy league graduate and you meet the sons and daughters of some very wealthy folks, and then later you're married to the governor, doors that are shut to most can open for you. (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/whitewater/stories/wwtr940527.htm)

    A lot has been made of her injudicious handling of email, and it was. But there is nothing there to be prosecuted, certainly not successfully. If you examine the cases where there was a successful prosecution or big fine (e.g., Petraeus) you'll find substantial differences. The government produces copius classified documents and only a tiny fraction of those really need to be. (see for example, "Secrecy" by Daniel Patrick Moynihan and also http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...revives-accusation-double-standard-between-c/)

    I'm not crazy about Hillary but she is qualified and she could turn out to be a very good President. She's not my choice but C'mon, what choice do we have. IMO she is an OK choice, whereas a Trump Presidency scares the daylights out of me. If my basis for comparison is Donald Trump, then yes, Hillary is a far better choice.
     
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    #67     Oct 12, 2016
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  8. ^ ^ ^
    A level headed and rational piece , nice one Pie.

    Kerry would have been a walk in the park.
     
    #68     Oct 12, 2016
  9. java

    java

    What is it about Johnson you dislike so much? Can't win? Like the old restuarant nobody goes to anymore because it is too crowded?
    oh well, all Cabinet members should keep a server in their bathroom becuse it is now legal.
     
    #69     Oct 12, 2016
  10. Nine_Ender

    Nine_Ender

    Whereas you are a degenerate idiot who calls himself American but lives in Canada. We don't want filth like you in our country. Leave. If you were identified here, people would spit on you not on "liberals" that you detest and rail against on here. Surely if you believe all your shit, you should move back to the US. Mark my words, 99% of Canadians want you out of our country, you don't respect our value system or country. Win-Win, get the fuck out.
     
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    #70     Oct 13, 2016
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