DITM Options Long(Paper Journal)

Discussion in 'Journals' started by MoneyMatthew, Oct 20, 2016.

  1. Did you have something to say? It looks like you just took my previous post and added no comment?
     
    #11     Oct 28, 2016
  2. sss12

    sss12

    @MM Do you have an idea of your expectancy ? You are fighting a huge bid/ask spread on options that DITM. I occasionally trade a similar pattern but using sector etf's at a 50 or 60 delta, very tight b/a spread.
     
    #12     Oct 28, 2016
  3. If agree that I am taking a hit on going with DITM Options. I don't really believe in a true expectancy for trading. I believe in Profit Factor/Ratio. Expectancy is great for static variables or casino games. I could trust Expectancy if I were an options seller with a hedge since max profit is known and taken from the start of the trade. The credit you get from an options sale is max profit up front.

    I am using "expectancy" data from the underlying. Yeah I no doubt am taking a huge hit due to the bid/ask spread. I don't think you are trading a similar pattern to me, I built a custom ranking algo to screen my trades. I am basically doing this journal to see how well it is at picking market direction. It is not really a journal about options, heck I could switch to trading the underlying and I would still get the same exact signals.
     
    #13     Oct 28, 2016
  4. sss12

    sss12

    expectancy=(prob of win x ave win) - (prob of loss X ave loss). This needs to be positive no matter what instrument you are trading.
    The super wide bid/ask spread is just a contributing factor hurting your chances.
     
    #14     Oct 28, 2016
  5. No argument here on the wide bid/ask hurting my profitability. This is mainly about picking direction on individual stock names and I will need to be right a lot.

    Unlike many wizards here on ET I am publicly posting directional bias and trades. It is ultimately an unproven system that is guilty until proven innocent. Even if the bid/ask eats me alive I already know that is has a positive expectancy trading the underlying.
     
    #15     Oct 28, 2016
  6. sss12

    sss12

    Well if you already know or think you know, that you have a positive expectancy on the direction of the UL (which is not easy to do over a large sample) and the options are just to add leverage you should have no problem. look forward to reading your posts.
     
    #16     Oct 28, 2016
  7. I don't disagree with you sss12, you are 100% right. I don't want to inspire anyone to trade DITM Options just for the heck of it. The bid/ask spread that sss12 speaks of is brutal and can easily kill any edge. I probably should have named this journal "A Guy Picks Market Direction".
     
    #17     Oct 28, 2016
  8. Time to add a new position. This one came up on the scanner a few days ago and I am late to the party on this one.

    WDR
    Buy-to-Open 1 December 16th 2016 [$20.00 PUT] @ $4.60 [10/31/2016]
    underlying price=$15.77
     
    Last edited: Oct 31, 2016
    #18     Oct 31, 2016
  9. Current positions:

    TCK
    Buy-to-Open 1 November 18th 2016 [$13.00 CALL] @ $7.40 [10/20/2016]
    ADSK
    Buy-to-Open 1 November 18th 2016 [$65.00 CALL] @ $6.85 [10/20/2016]
    WDR
    Buy-to-Open 1 December 16th 2016 [$20.00 PUT] @ $4.60 [10/31/2016]

    Current P&L=+$365.00
     
    #19     Oct 31, 2016
  10. TCK is holding up well on down market day like today, it is still going up today. I'm going to give ADSK one more week. If things don't improve then I will look to scratch or take a loss on ADSK.

    I nailed the timing on WDR, it is down 3% after I had a Short Bias yesterday. Unfortunately, the options have barely moved. The Bid/Ask is a mile wide on the DITM options. I will need WDR to hit $13 on the underlying to really see a profit. With the 40% Implied Vol on WDR I hope to see $14 within a week or so. If that does not happen then I will look to exit that as well.
     
    #20     Nov 1, 2016