Did Robert Hoffman really lose 312K in a single TF trade? Yikes!

Discussion in 'Trading' started by Jreality, Jul 19, 2011.

  1. EPrado

    EPrado

    Wow. The company who promotes a blowout trader makes a video about a blowout trader. My question is, how can any real trader/person wanting to be a trader go sign on with a firm that makes a video like that? Pretty embarassing for a trading company to be associated with a video like that.
     
    #91     Jul 21, 2011
  2. I average into every losing trade I have and am loving the strategy- of course I have a point at which I'll cut my loss, but it is about 3x my daily profit goal. Silly disinformation floating around about cutting losses quickly- I love all your stop losses, they force liquidity into a market at let others out of their trades!
     
    #92     Jul 21, 2011
  3. the1

    the1

    There's nothing wrong with averaging into a trade provided you stay within your predetermined risk limits. Timing the market is tough and there are times when averaging is necessary. Either that or nibble on the first trigger, stop out, and increase your size ifr you get a better look. Again, all has to stay within predetermined risk limits.

     
    #93     Jul 21, 2011
  4. no need to look at anything but the spwrb/a arb
     
    #94     Jul 21, 2011
  5. Reading through this, and after recently suffering a 64.1% dd on c2, if the account wasn't meant for a fully leveraged trade, indeed this is stupid, but it wouldn't be if he intended to do this the whole time. It doesn't sound like he typically traded this way, and with leverage of course multi hundred thousand dollar losses are possible, but I think he went "on tilt."

    I think he was revenge trading, and had a knack for scalping making too little profit for the risk he was taking. I think he'll react differently in the future, but 800+TF on less than a million is not reasonable.

    I will say does it matter if he lost this in a day? My trend strategies are risking with a target of $10,000 profit per contract per month on about 7 or 9 different contracts risking $500k to make $2.5m. I'm not sure if the fact that it was one day is any different than realized drawdown of a half mil with about $750k per year for profits. Is this any different? I say that because he might have millions, so a few hundred thousand would be a very decent chunk of any account. I'd have to say we don't have any proof of any of this, but if it were true, if it were true, I think he felt wealthy enough to afford taking a risk, but I don't know if his indicators were pointing down at the time or not. I don't think it matters, because that was his best judgement, and if it loses, then you lose. I'm not taking the attitude that all small traders lose, because unless you're in the billions you are a small trader.

    Buffet takes hits like these every second of the day, but is far more succesful and even he has had his share of losses, even catastrophic ones with stocks going to zero. Rare, true, but even he.
     
    #95     Jul 21, 2011
  6. bathrobe

    bathrobe

    This is a 1 minute chart of the Russell 2000 on the day he had the loss (July 14) all times are PST.
     
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    #96     Jul 21, 2011


  7. Yeah, you should fade his signals. If you had faded, you would have made $300k recently.
     
    #97     Jul 21, 2011

  8. Like faking a blowup? Man, that's really low.

    Fake a blowup to get more subscribers.
     
    #98     Jul 22, 2011
  9. relatively rare 4 wave down.

    lol, comparing the swings in Buffets account to this turkey .... you might as well compare him to the national debt
     
    #99     Jul 22, 2011
  10. HAHA. that's a good one.
     
    #100     Jul 22, 2011