Did Media Blow Greek Smoke Up Your Rectum? Is It Time To Short Yet?

Discussion in 'Trading' started by shortie, Jul 1, 2011.

What's Your Short-term View?

  1. Very Bullish

    10 vote(s)
    14.3%
  2. Bullish

    21 vote(s)
    30.0%
  3. Flat

    15 vote(s)
    21.4%
  4. Bearish

    15 vote(s)
    21.4%
  5. Very Bearish

    9 vote(s)
    12.9%
  1. No it does not matter---It used to, but they are now broke. The only countries who would really matter in Europe are: Russia (military and natural resources/land) Germany (hard work), Poland (rising), and Turkey (young). France is like an old bitch who does not understand she is in her seventies.

    In addition the bailout of Greece is not a bailout of Greeks, but a bailout of a europe banks. The need for a bailout suggests they are weak, otherwise they could have written off the bad debt.
     
    #71     Jul 4, 2011
  2. I think it is a good guess. I like fading spikes but this run had serious momentum so I think a safer trade is to fade a pullback within a trend reversal. Less likely to get burned. Another favorite is the gap up after a good exuberant run. Starting with a new relative high where you get a steamroller effect from gap faders, followed by(f/b) profit-takers, f/b new shorts, then trend followers. This can roll-on for days to weeks as we saw the first week of May.
     
    #72     Jul 5, 2011
  3. refuses to go down. but maybe it will be eod, don't know...

    SPY 133.67

    p.s. any reliable quantitative model predictions for today?
     
    #73     Jul 5, 2011
  4. what has never ceased to amaze me since the 80s is how there are always those who post on forums about when an uptrend or downtrend could or might reverse or end... such that they can now take the contrary approach. It is simply amazing the human nature of the markets and some "traders" or investors. Meanwhile they have sat there tying to be smarter than the market with sarcastic comments and blame of the media etc. etc.

    Did you ever stop once to think, to ponder... "Uh, duh... UMmmm, hmmmm .... why don't I just go with THIS trend NOW.... worry about when to exit or take profits later??

    Never mind, after two decades I know the answer... because you would (and all other similar posters) rather show the markets that they are smart(er)... rather than make money............. nope they are not going to get caught buying at the top or selling at the bottom.

    Am I right (am I close??)

    If I am not right, what is your point then? What do you get out of analyzing all the T/Q etc. trying to determine when a trend will reverse?

    Just curious??
     
    #74     Jul 5, 2011
  5. They are using the Greek saga as a way to game the markets.
     
    #75     Jul 5, 2011
  6. Do the market(s) actually have emotions? Like a person? OK.

    So now I get it ----- the markets "refuse" to go down (or up). LOL

    Like a kid who "refuses" to get into bed? The kid "should" get into bed. But refuses to.

    Like markets that "refuse" to go down!! Damn those markets are stubborn ! Never do what some trader(s) and their T/A says it "should" do!
     
    #76     Jul 5, 2011
  7. I don't think trend matters as much as it used to in the past.

    It's more momentum now.
     
    #77     Jul 5, 2011
  8. Your right it is a sickness, just look at the ES thread and that guy ammo.
     
    #78     Jul 5, 2011
  9. i don't believe much in trends.

    i would rather make money than being right about the market. but "being right" is also rewarding psychologically (i know this could be my flaw).

    with trends i just have not found a reliable way to trade with them. if i find it someday, i will trend trade without hesitation. since i don't have a method like that, why should i try to follow a trend (that may not even exist)?
     
    #79     Jul 5, 2011
  10. bone

    bone

    Yep, it is a human condition - fight the markets because you are correct and the market is wrong. 90 % of the traders I meet who have gotten wounded or killed in the markets were trying to time a top or bottom. It is definitely an ego/ID type of thing.
     
    #80     Jul 5, 2011