Did Media Blow Greek Smoke Up Your Rectum? Is It Time To Short Yet?

Discussion in 'Trading' started by shortie, Jul 1, 2011.

What's Your Short-term View?

  1. Very Bullish

    10 vote(s)
    14.3%
  2. Bullish

    21 vote(s)
    30.0%
  3. Flat

    15 vote(s)
    21.4%
  4. Bearish

    15 vote(s)
    21.4%
  5. Very Bearish

    9 vote(s)
    12.9%
  1. LOL! You rephrased (well) the classical always correct prediction: the markets will fluctuate!

    The modern tradeable version would be: would the amplitude of the fluctuations be higher or lower? So Iceman: will VXX rise or fall?

    Good to hear from you Iceman!
     
    #121     Jul 6, 2011
  2. "overly bullish" is vague. please quote your SINGLE SPECIFIC before the fact call (it has to include, entry, stop, exit before the fact or soon after they take place)

    i am gonna venture a guess that i will be waiting for a very long time while you search for such a call....
     
    #122     Jul 6, 2011
  3. kashirin

    kashirin

    man, you have no idea what you're talking about

    markets up 6.5% this year. add dividend and it's 7.5% return in 6 months
    in the last year markets up 30%

    major IPOs coming that take capital like LNKD with P/E about 100
    market has enough internal bubbles
     
    #123     Jul 6, 2011
  4. just to illustrate what i mean: here is an example of my recent SPY:GLD call that happen to work out really nice (even if i may have taken the profits too early)

    http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&postid=3222897#post3222897
     
    #124     Jul 6, 2011
  5. S2007S

    S2007S

    Markets rising again, nothing but a steady climb, looked as though there would be somewhat of a buying opportunity this morning, but that quickly went away as the markets pushed higher, now that they are higher all they have to do is keep them up until the close which should be no problem. A good jobs number on Friday and the DOW could easily break 13,000!
     
    #125     Jul 6, 2011
  6. Nine_Ender

    Nine_Ender

    Posted by myself in Neke's journal on February 13th, 2011 :

    I bought a lot of March call options on this play and made a huge profit on earnings week. TD Bank did in fact raise their dividend, the first time in years. I made most of my money on the predicted RY move, with the payoff being in the 1000% to 3000% range,
    depending on chosen entry and exit points.

    Even bad entries and exits would have been highly profitable on my call. So there was no need to post exact entry and exit points, just follow my advice and cash in the big money.
     
    #126     Jul 6, 2011
  7. Locutus

    Locutus

    They're only cheap if you had some kind of guarantee that earnings will come out as expected. I don't think I agree entirely that the markets are "cheap" right now. At best they are reasonably priced.

    The reason I am still somewhat bullish is because of all the bear tears this rally is causing and the general disbelief that seems quite pervasive regarding to this rally. There's all sorts of reasons why it needs to reverse which is why I think I might go short a bit later than right now.
     
    #127     Jul 6, 2011
  8. Nine_Ender

    Nine_Ender

    I'm talking on a valuation basis in the US. This is one of the most forgotten concepts on this site, almost no one looks at earnings and valuations. Its almost always an obsession with economics.

    I think if you research it is clear that current US markets are cheap, but that they might be "reasonably priced" if you state that there is a deep discount due to economic uncertainty and expectations of falling earnings ( due to QE or any other factor ).

    In comparism, Canadian markets are far more expensive then US markets on a valuation basis.
     
    #128     Jul 6, 2011
  9. Locutus

    Locutus

    Define your valuation metric then. Shiller P/E, Forward P/E? What? P/B?
     
    #129     Jul 6, 2011
  10. Nine_Ender

    Nine_Ender

    Exact metric is not important, late in earnings season there are many analysts that state the current earnings of the S&P 500 on a P/E basis. Ballpark is all you need. People would be surprised how badly the US markets have been lagging earnings growth.

    Shiller I have no faith in there is some bias in his research and he was predicting market corrections August 2010 based on his numbers. I prefer the KISS approach. Current cash earnings.
     
    #130     Jul 6, 2011