Developing a naked puts trading system

Discussion in 'Options' started by drmark27, May 3, 2017.

  1. Dumb money will always try to find a cheap way to profit-bring it- I like being subsidised
     
    #21     May 7, 2017
  2. ironchef

    ironchef

    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/228289846_Why_are_Put_Options_So_Expensive

    I don't think you can blame QE for this. And if OP can find a profitable way to trade naked puts, I would be celebrating with him knowing it can be done.
     
    #22     May 7, 2017
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  3. i960

    i960

    Naked isn't the issue - it's how far out of the money that one is selling and exposure to gamma that is.

    The $PUT index is based on ATM 30-day puts with proceeds placed into treasuries. Last I checked it had a better sharpe than SPX.
     
    #23     May 7, 2017
  4. sle

    sle

    Everyone does :)

    PS. Off topic, but is that your rabbit? Very cute :)
     
    #24     May 7, 2017
  5. Zazys

    Zazys

    I second this approach. Challenge is to set a large number of trades to distribute the risk. Needs a large pipeline and a low cost broker.
    Wouldn't like going into a naked trade without position sizing. It is too risky.
     
    #25     May 8, 2017
  6. Zazys

    Zazys

    Have you tried Quantopian?
     
    #26     May 8, 2017
  7. drmark27

    drmark27

    What do you mean by position sizing?
     
    #27     May 8, 2017
  8. Zazys

    Zazys

    Position sizing = Not having too many eggs in one basket and knowing what is the maximum damage that can be caused to a single egg.

    Some rules could be:

    (1) Using up to 50% of total available margin = Overall Position Size Limit, and,

    (2) Limiting maximum loss per trade to less than 0.1% to 0.5% of Overall Position Size Limit.
    • For Nakeds establishing maximum loss is tricky. One could establish that max loss to be 2 Standard Deviations away from current price.
    • For defined risk trades this is not an issue.
    What was your definition of position sizing?
     
    #28     May 11, 2017
  9. drmark27

    drmark27


    Now you're getting at the reason I started this thread. Is there a best way to handle this?

    For starters, what about selling one contract every day?
     
    #29     May 11, 2017
  10. drMark27.. Put that criteria (selling 1 contract every day) to a backtest first, then add whatever filters you have on the same strategy (ie selling puts). Taking that first step is a good way to establish a baseline of whatever strategy you are trying to implement. After that, start adding layers to your criteria to enhance trade yield . As an example, you probably don't want to be selling puts right after a ticker just violated a 50d moving average? Look out below! ... stuff like that.. I just finished an article on my site that did exactly what you are contemplating.. selling 1 slightly otm put spread on the QQQ at 12 IV... won 80% of the time ... but....
     
    #30     May 11, 2017