DeSantis for the win

murray t turtle · Dec 7, 2023

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Good President/ DeSantis looks more likely than Nik

Tony Stark · Dec 7, 2023

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Good President/ DeSantis looks more likely than Nik
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Overall Haley only down by 3.If Trump is taken out she can make that up.

Spike Trader · Dec 7, 2023

Tony Stark said:
Overall Haley only down by 3.If Trump is taken out she can make that up.
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You don't think Rhonda has a chance?

Cuddles · Dec 7, 2023

gwb-trading said:
This is about what you expect of the governor of a state where the SAT scores rank below the very sad Washington D.C. school system (where all the students take the test).

Rather than spending his time picking on Disney and LGBTQ+ people --- maybe DeSantis can actually work to solve the leading issues in Florida like the property insurance crisis (but this is not very likely). Ron does not give a damn about the residents of Florida.
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Rich coming from "muh critical race theory is real" "Muh parents fighting back"

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gwb-trading said:
Actually traditional conservatives in the United States are the ones since the early 1800s strongly supported public education both at the K-12 and university level. They believed it was the best way to move people out of poverty and allow them to better themselves.

Traditional conservatives classrooms should teach a core curriculum of reading, writing, history, science, and math which would enable students to be employed in professional or skilled fields.

It was only in recent decades where liberals misused classrooms to push a political agenda rather than educating students that indoctrination became a problem.
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gwb-trading said:
Let's walk through the lengthy list of cities in the U.S. where education is administered by left-wing Democrats and take a look at the educational results.
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gwb-trading said:
Let's also take a look at the education "miracle" in Washington D.C.

All the “success” of the D.C. school system was a complete fraud…

DC's public schools go from success story to cautionary tale
https://www.boston.com/news/politic...ools-go-from-success-story-to-cautionary-tale

As recently as a year ago, the public school system in the nation's capital was being hailed as a shining example of successful urban education reform and a template for districts across the country.

Now the situation in the District of Columbia could not be more different. After a series of rapid-fire scandals, including one about rigged graduation rates, Washington's school system has gone from a point of pride to perhaps the largest public embarrassment of Mayor Muriel Bowser's tenure.

This stunning reversal has left school administrators and city officials scrambling for answers and pledging to regain the public's trust.

A decade after a restructuring that stripped the decision-making powers of the board of education and placed the system under mayoral control, city schools in 2017 were boasting rising test scores and a record graduation rate for high schools of 73 percent, compared with 53 percent in 2011. Glowing news articles cited examples such as Ballou High School, a campus in a low-income neighborhood where the entire 2017 graduating class applied for college.

Then everything unraveled.

An investigation by WAMU, the local NPR station, revealed that about half of those Ballou graduates had missed more than three months of school and should not have graduated due to chronic truancy. A subsequent inquiry revealed a systemwide culture that pressured teachers to favor graduation rates over all else — with salaries and job security tied to specific metrics.

The internal investigation concluded that more than one-third of the 2017 graduating class should not have received diplomas due to truancy or improper steps taken by teachers or administrators to cover the absences. In one egregious example, investigators found that attendance records at Dunbar High School had been altered 4,000 times to mark absent students as present. The school system is now being investigated by both the FBI and the U.S. Education Department, while the D.C. Council has repeatedly called for answers and accountability.

"We've seen a lot of dishonesty and a lot of people fudging the numbers," said Council member David Grosso, head of the education committee, during a hearing last week. "Was it completely make-believe last year?"

School Superintendent Hanseul Kang promised Grosso a "new accountability system" to prevent these kinds of abuses. The interim chancellor, Amanda Alexander, told the committee the estimated graduation rate for 2018 would end up just over 60 percent, a drop of more than 10 percentage points now that the attendance rules are being properly enforced. The chancellor's office runs the public school system while the Office of the State Superintendent of Education oversees both the public schools and Washington's robust charter school system.

Repeated efforts to interview both Kang and Alexander for this story were unsuccessful.

While the attendance scandal was still fresh, a new controversy engulfed the top public school official. Chancellor Antwan Wilson was forced to resign in February after revelations that he skirted his own rules to place his daughter in a prestigious high school while skipping a 600-student waiting list.

The Wilson scandal speaks to some of the unique dynamics and pressures of the D.C. school system. Parents who don't like their local "in-bound" school can apply to any public school in the city through a complex and highly competitive lottery process. One local columnist dubbed the school lottery system "an academic Hunger Games."

Most recently in the headlines has been one of the jewels of the school system, the Duke Ellington School of the Arts, alma mater of comedian Dave Chappelle and musician Me'Shell Ndegéocello. In May, an internal audit alleged that more than one-quarter of Ellington students were fraudulently coming in from neighboring Maryland or Virginia.

Students from outside Washington can attend city schools if they pay tuition, but the investigation alleges widespread residency fraud with parents faking Washington addresses to avoid those fees. Ellington parents have sued, claiming they're being railroaded by an administration eager to prove strong oversight and repair its reputation. The issue is working its way through courts.

The brutal year for Washington schools doesn't seem to have hurt Mayor Bowser as she runs for re-election. Bowser, campaigning on the improved economy in the capital, has no significant opposition in the all-important Democratic primary Tuesday as she seeks a second term.

The issue of the school system was the only down note in Bowser's otherwise triumphant State of the District speech in March. Bowser could only acknowledge "significant bumps in the road," and promise rapid changes.

Defenders of the school system point out that independent measurements such as the National Association of Educational Progress test have shown consistent improvement that shouldn't be lost in the controversy over graduation rates.

Critics view the problems, particularly the attendance issue, as an indictment of the entire data-driven evaluation system instituted a more than a decade ago when then-Mayor Adrian Fenty took over the school system and appointed Michelle Rhee as the first chancellor. Rhee's ambitious plan to clear out dead wood and focus on accountability for teachers and administrators landed her on the cover of Time magazine holding a broom. But now analysts question whether Rhee's emphasis on performance metrics has created a monster.
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gwb-trading said:
This is about what you expect of the governor of a state where the SAT scores rank below the very sad Washington D.C. school system (where all the students take the test).

Rather than spending his time picking on Disney and LGBTQ+ people --- maybe DeSantis can actually work to solve the leading issues in Florida like the property insurance crisis (but this is not very likely). Ron does not give a damn about the residents of Florida.
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kmgilroy89 · Dec 7, 2023

In order to beat Trump the nominee will have to take some Trump voters. Despite Haley gaining momentum and possibly eclipsing DeSantis for 2nd, I think DeSantis is the only one who has a fighting chance against Trump head to head. I just feel he's viewed more favorably/in-step with Trump voters than Haley is. Haley is too much from the old establishment. Haley+Christie voters form more of an old school anti-Trump coalition. DeSantis-Vivek represent more of where 2/3 of the party is.

Cuddles · Dec 8, 2023

kmgilroy89 said:
In order to beat Trump the nominee will have to take some Trump voters. Despite Haley gaining momentum and possibly eclipsing DeSantis for 2nd, I think DeSantis is the only one who has a fighting chance against Trump head to head. I just feel he's viewed more favorably/in-step with Trump voters than Haley is. Haley is too much from the old establishment. Haley+Christie voters form more of an old school anti-Trump coalition. DeSantis-Vivek represent more of where 2/3 of the party is.
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while she's the preferable of all evils from the right, I agree that the GQP base is still too engrained in fanaticism so the party risks losing w/Haley. I doubt the couch sitters would care enough to go for Haley as preferable to Biden.

Now, how's your campaign doing?

El OchoCinco · Dec 8, 2023

kmgilroy89 said:
In order to beat Trump the nominee will have to take some Trump voters. Despite Haley gaining momentum and possibly eclipsing DeSantis for 2nd, I think DeSantis is the only one who has a fighting chance against Trump head to head. I just feel he's viewed more favorably/in-step with Trump voters than Haley is. Haley is too much from the old establishment. Haley+Christie voters form more of an old school anti-Trump coalition. DeSantis-Vivek represent more of where 2/3 of the party is.
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Eclipsing DeCantis for 2nd is not a victory when they are all 40-45 points minimum behind Trump. Like fighting to be the first loser.

TreeFrogTrader · Dec 8, 2023

El OchoCinco said:
Eclipsing DeCantis for 2nd is not a victory when they are all 40-45 points minimum behind Trump. Like fighting to be the first loser.
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Indeed.

As discussed, it would be one thing if all of Desantis's supporters were never-trumpers and Haley then drove Desantis out.

But it is not like that. If Desantis goes down then many of his supporters would just revert to Trump. Maybe not all but probably little to no net gain for Haley.

Not sure. Lots of charts and data flying around. I would like to see more data on who the second choice is for Desantis supporters.

gwb-trading · Dec 8, 2023

kmgilroy89 · Dec 8, 2023

Cuddles said:
while she's the preferable of all evils from the right, I agree that the GQP base is still too engrained in fanaticism so the party risks losing w/Haley. I doubt the couch sitters would care enough to go for Haley as preferable to Biden.

Now, how's your campaign doing?
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I’m seeing some real momentum in Iowa. Just might pull it off. Plan to ride this one all the way to the convention!