DeSantis for the win

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Tsing Tao, May 21, 2020.

  1. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

    TLDR

    Just the same spam from the obsessed NPC.
     
    #6721     May 24, 2022
  2. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading


    Let's give you the short version -- DeSantis' state AG is too stupid to understand that the state lost the social media case badly rather than winning the case.
     
    #6722     May 24, 2022
  3. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

    I certainly appreciate the brevity. Maybe one day you can be brief and objective!
     
    #6723     May 24, 2022
  4. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    I provide the article -- since you are always demanding "evidence" or "data". If you want brevity just read my brief comments at the top and the article title -- and you have all the information you need. Both brief and objective.
     
    #6724     May 24, 2022
  5. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

    OH yeah, all you do is provide the article. I'm curious, who provides the initial bolded, colored font with the shrieking the precedes the article? Is that Baron editing your posts?

    Also, do you provide articles that tell the stories from both sides of the aisle? Or do you just post Orlando Sentinel, Blog Mickey, Rawstory, etc?

    No one here believes you to be objective. No one. Not even your fellow liberals.
     
    #6725     May 24, 2022
  6. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    "your fellow liberals" -- lots of laughs.
     
    #6726     May 24, 2022
  7. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    Let's take a look at how authoritarians work...

    Trump, DeSantis, Viktor Orban and the Use of Political Payback
    https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/24/opinion/trump-desantis-viktor-orban.html

    The Conservative Political Action Conference, or CPAC, held its first Hungarian edition last week. Attendees were welcomed with an opening speech by Prime Minister Viktor Orban, who instructed them on how the “international liberal left” was defeated.

    Mr. Orban has received attention in the United States for promoting global culture wars — defending Christian civilization, ethnic purity and traditional gender roles against “woke” challenges.

    But some of his advice at CPAC Hungary might have reflected his background as a lawyer: “Those who play by their opponents’ rules are certain to lose.” Indeed, since coming to power in 2010, Mr. Orban has written his own rules, promulgating a new Constitution and hundreds of new laws to lock in his gains.

    The secret to Mr. Orban’s longevity in office has been using those rules in ways that go far beyond social-conservative culture. He has also deployed his own rules in the realm of material benefits. He has effectively used political payback to inflict economic pain on his opponents while bestowing financial benefits on loyalists.

    And it appears his American conservative admirers have taken notice. During Donald Trump’s presidency and in red states like Florida, political punishment has become a way of doing business.

    Certain Republicans and Mr. Orban share political payback as a strategy of governing and a way for the state’s economic power to consolidate partisan political power. The rules are simple: Make your enemies pay; let your friends prosper.

    We don’t know for sure whether one side influenced the other. But the connections between Mr. Orban and his Republican admirers are personal and have expanded in recent years. In 2010, Republican political consultants helped engineer Mr. Orban’s 2010 election victory, and they continued to assist Mr. Orban even while their team branched out to help organize the Trump 2016 campaign. Mr. Trump surrounded himself with Mr. Orban’s friends in Washington, such as Sebastian Gorka and Kurt Volker. The former president’s Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar attended conferences promoting social-conservative policy with Mr. Orban’s former Minister of Family Affairs Katalin Novak, recently inaugurated as the new president of Hungary.

    In Hungary under Mr. Orban, political payback is common. Mr. Orban first targeted the independent and opposition media by directing state-funded advertising to pro-government outlets. He has used state regulatory power to shift business from unfriendly hands to friendly ones, starting with a law that required tobacco sellers to be licensed by the state. (Many of those licenses were awarded to government supporters.) With tobacco as a model, Mr. Orban opened similar efforts in the banking, energy and telecom sectors. Owners whose businesses failed to support the governing party have been sidelined, while party loyalists gained. When discontent with Mr. Orban overflowed and his party lost many of the country’s big cities in the 2019 local elections, he cut major sources of revenue for opposition cities so that their mayors would appear incompetent without resources.

    As president, Mr. Trump was accused of political partisanship in many cases affecting blue-state voters and governments. He refused to greenlight the New York Gateway tunnel project. His administration initially refused to provide wildfire assistance to California and was accused of raising hurdles in distributing hurricane relief in nonvoting Puerto Rico. When the media reported unfavorably on Mr. Trump’s presidency, he — like Mr. Orban — picked fights with perceived opponents, repeatedly threatening Amazon in order to punish Jeff Bezos, owner of Amazon and The Washington Post,and openly criticized the merger of AT&T and CNN’s owner at the time, Time Warner.

    Some red states are now catching on to the politics of payback. In 2018, Georgia’s Republican legislature approved a bill that stripped out a tax break that would have benefited Delta Air Lines after the company decided to end a promotional discount for National Rifle Association members. A Texas legislator recently threatened to introduce a bill that would prevent Citigroup from underwriting Texas municipal bonds unless it stopped its policy of paying the travel expenses of employees who seek abortions outside the state.

    Probably the best-known recent efforts have come from Florida, where Republican lawmakers voted to revoke Disney’s special tax status after the company condemned Gov. Ron DeSantis’s education law (known by critics as “Don’t Say Gay”). This sounded familiar. Last summer, Mr. Orban passed a law banning the display of L.G.B.T.Q. content to minors.

    Retribution is the method of the bully. By punishing opponents for minor or even imagined infractions, all but the bravest opponents slink away. And it generates compliance. That’s precisely why it is a useful tactic. Only a few need to be targeted for many to toe the party line. Payback also generates loyalty. Friends stay close when they benefit from government largess.

    In Hungary, this is all legal, because Mr. Orban doesn’t play by opponents’ rules. He makes his own. As a clever lawyer, Mr. Orban knows that if he can legalize anything, he can use state resources to punish enemies and benefit friends without liability.

    Mr. Orban’s party controls everything that matters in Hungary, so he controls the law. Like Mr. Orban, Mr. DeSantis is also a clever lawyer — and for now, his party controls the offices of secretary of state, attorney general and both chambers of the state legislature in Florida.

    If Mr. Trump is succeeded by a more disciplined party leader who can control all three branches and lock in partisan advantage by law, then payback could become the currency of the realm.

    Does political payback have limits? Elections can replace the bullies, as Mr. Trump has now seen. Mr. DeSantis faces the discipline of a balanced state budget.

    But these controls assume that constitutional government still works. The opposition in Hungary faces enormous obstacles (like a mostly one-sided media environment and rigged rules) to winning through elections. Mr. Orban has captured and dismantled all of the checks on his power. Will the Republican Party succeed in doing the same here? While elections still have consequences, voters will need to say no.
     
    #6727     May 24, 2022
  8. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

    You are a liberal. You're the quintessential example of the graph Musk showed where people who were once moderately left have moved dramatically to the left. You should make a poll on this forum. Ask everyone whether they believe you are moderate or not. Ask if they believe you are objective. If the majority say you are, I will leave the forum forever. If they say you are not, you leave the forum forever.

    What say you?

    (silence)
     
    #6728     May 24, 2022
  9. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

    What has this to do with DeSantis?
     
    #6729     May 24, 2022
  10. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    Obviously all have the same authoritarian streak.
     
    #6730     May 24, 2022