DeSantis for the win

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Tsing Tao, May 21, 2020.


  1. You are not making a valid argument just speaking from emotion and opinion.

    My analogies can be changed to fit your idea easily.... employees are not allowed to smoke on the premises, you have to wear the appropriate clothes or be sent home..... private employer has rights to establish workplace safety and health precautions.

    If you dont like the private employer enforcing a vaccine or fit one of the exemptions or don't agree to weekly testing, then you are free to go find a job elsewhere. Nothing immoral about it.

    Also stop citing the constitution, you clearly don't understand it.
     
    #5091     Oct 22, 2021
  2. Buy1Sell2

    Buy1Sell2

    You've clearly missed the boat and don't understand the issue at hand. I'm sorry for that.
     
    #5092     Oct 22, 2021
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    Buy1Sell2

    By the way, 2 of your failed analogies were about patrons, not employees.
     
    #5093     Oct 22, 2021
  4. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

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    #5094     Oct 22, 2021
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    #5095     Oct 22, 2021
  6. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    "DeSantis for the win" -- his "American Frontline Doctor" pushes vaccine conspiracy nonsense and other Covid misinformation. The only thing missing at this point is Florida government offering demon sperm as a Covid cure.

    Ron DeSantis’s controversial surgeon general questions safety of vaccines
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...al-surgeon-general-questions-safety-vaccines/

    Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis’s effort to assure everyone he’s not playing footsie with anti-vaccine Republicans has once again run into reality.

    When opinion pieces in local newspapers this summer blamed DeSantis (R) for not supporting vaccinations enough amid a huge spike in cases, his spokesperson assured Fox News, “The governor has consistently stated that vaccines are safe and effective in preventing serious illness in most people.”

    Since then, though, DeSantis has stood silently beside a speaker promoting the bogus conspiracy theory that vaccines change your RNA. And a week later, he appointed a new surgeon general with a controversial history that included not just opposing vaccine mandates, but downplaying the importance of vaccines. The doctor, Joseph Ladapo, also aligned with a fringe group of medical professionals, called America’s Frontline Doctors, which pushed hydroxychloroquine as a “cure” for the virus and later fought against the emergency authorization of the vaccines.

    On Thursday came a moment DeSantis had to know might arrive: When his surgeon general offered a message decidedly more skeptical of vaccines and their safety than the governor has indicated he is.

    “I mean, you hear these stories, people telling you what’s been happening in their lives — nurses, pregnant women who are being forced to sort of put something in their bodies that we don’t know all there is to know about yet,” Ladapo said. “No matter what people on TV tell you, it’s not true. We’re going to learn more about the safety of these



    Ladapo went on to suggest that those anecdotal reports should give us caution.

    “This idea that we are foolish for … believing people who are telling us things that we don’t have data for right now is ridiculous,” he added. “And people need to continue and stick with their intuition and their sensibilities.”

    Again, DeSantis stood by the person saying these things, with no indication he disagreed.

    A DeSantis spokesperson, Christina Pushaw, told The Washington Post that she took Ladapo’s comments as “a statement of fact, not an opinion about whether or not the vaccines are safe.”

    “The data we have available at this time shows the vaccines are safe and effective for most people,” Pushaw said, while emphasizing “most people.” “But it would be irresponsible to assert that any pharmaceutical product is safe and effective for everyone.”

    Pushaw added that “it is possible that we will learn more about adverse effects over time,if there are any adverse effects that show up in the long run.”

    At the very least, though, Ladapo’s comments leaned much more into the idea that vaccines might be unsafe than DeSantis has. Ladapo suggestively pointed to what we don’t know and the idea that various unspecified anecdotes — rather than the volume of studies we have — suggest the vaccines’ safety might be called into question.

    And again, this kind of thing was probably foreseeable. Ladapo’s recent history when DeSantis hired him included aligning himself with a member of America’s Frontline Doctors, Stella Immanuel, who has claimed endometriosis was caused by sex with demons in one’s dreams. Even setting that aside, the news conference Ladapo appeared in with Immanuel involved claims that hydroxychloroquine was a “cure” for the coronavirus which, no matter what study you want to cherry-pick from or even if you believe the drug might havesomebenefit for coronavirus patients, simply has no basis.

    This is merely the latest example in a consistent thread we’ve seen in the Republican Party throughout the pandemic, in which it provides platforms to or at least declines to correct those contributing to vaccine skepticism and even, in some cases, wild conspiracy theories.

    From our piece on DeSantis and the RNA incident last month:

    The GOP’s ability to do more about such things is indisputable. Its political will is clearly another matter entirely.

    And it’s not just turning a blind eye to what [Sen. Ron] Johnson is up to. It’s ignoring the rampant and consistent vaccine misinformation on prime-time Fox News shows, including Tucker Carlson’s. Republican state legislators have repeatedly provided forums to fringe figures who promote not just criticism of vaccine mandates, but full-fledged anti-vaccine conspiracy theories — with no evident pushback from the broader party. Even medical doctors in the GOP caucus have declined to repudiate vaccine misinformation from the likes of Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-Ga.), while expressing much-stronger views on her suspension from Twitter over it. Claims that the vaccination effort is akin to Nazi-era policies also have been deemed unworthy of repudiation.


    Ladapo’s comments might not rise to the level of some of these things, but they would seem to have the predictable impact of seeding skepticism about the vaccines’ safety — and from an appointed health official in one of the country’s largest states, no less.

    It’s a message DeSantis and even most Republican officeholders (save for those like Johnson) really haven’t pushed. But they’ve allowed for it, seemingly in no small part because there’s a constituency for it.
     
    #5096     Oct 22, 2021
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    Buy1Sell2

    You do understand that my prediction that DeSantis's policy of letting this run would get Florida through the most recent wave more quickly than other states and preserve Florida's economy and liberty has come true correct?
     
    #5097     Oct 22, 2021
  8. Mercor

    Mercor

    Well earned award.....
    The state with the 3 highest population is number 10 on the death per 100k
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    #5098     Oct 22, 2021
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    Buy1Sell2

    The current average deaths per day in Florida is 2, while other states are running much higher since they haven't dealt with this wave properly. For example, the current average daily deaths from Kung Flu in New York is 38.
     
    #5099     Oct 22, 2021
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    gwb-trading


    All the other states -- except for seven (mainly red including Alaska) -- saw big Delta declines as well during the same timeframe. The primary difference in most of the blue states their Delta peaks in cases, hospitalizations, and deaths per capita were much lower than Florida. The Delta wave is over in most of the U.S.

    Here is a reminder that no other state comes close to the Florida peaks with Delta.


    Florida had nation’s worst COVID-19 death rate during summer surge
    https://floridapolitics.com/archive...orst-covid-19-death-rate-during-summer-surge/

    The delta variant-driven summer surge of 2021 was deadlier in Florida than in any other state.

    The latest federal COVID-19 reports covering the period since June 20 — which roughly coincided with the time the summer surge began — shows that more people have since been reported to have died of the disease in Florida than in any other state.

    Florida’s per-capita rate of reported COVID-19 deaths also has been higher than any other state in the period, which covers though Oct. 6.


    Florida’s COVID-19 summer surge appears to be largely over, as the number of new confirmed cases has been plummeting for more than a month, and the number of deaths have been falling for a couple of weeks.

    The same is mostly true nationally, though some states are seeing increases in their COVID-19 numbers. Most epidemiologists expect that cold states will see their surges peak during colder weather.

    For now, as case and death numbers fall back toward where they were in June, before the summer surge began, the mortality toll of the disease’s summer outbreak in Florida is coming into clear focus.

    More people were reported to have died in Florida since June 20 than in any other state — more than Texas, California, or Arizona. Even when Florida’s large population is factored in, Florida’s per-capita death rate was worse than all other states’, including smaller southern states that suffered harsh summer surges, such as Louisiana and Arkansas.


    (More at above url)
     
    #5100     Oct 22, 2021