DeSantis for the win

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Tsing Tao, May 21, 2020.

  1. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading


    Once again let's highlight the facts about Florida's latest Covid wave. Anyone trying to claim that Florida did well in the latest Covid wave must have a screw loose or be living in a twisted alternate reality.


    Florida had nation’s worst COVID-19 death rate during summer surge

    https://floridapolitics.com/archive...orst-covid-19-death-rate-during-summer-surge/

    The delta variant-driven summer surge of 2021 was deadlier in Florida than in any other state.

    The latest federal COVID-19 reports covering the period since June 20 — which roughly coincided with the time the summer surge began — shows that more people have since been reported to have died of the disease in Florida than in any other state.

    Florida’s per-capita rate of reported COVID-19 deaths also has been higher than any other state in the period, which covers though Oct. 6.


    Florida’s COVID-19 summer surge appears to be largely over, as the number of new confirmed cases has been plummeting for more than a month, and the number of deaths have been falling for a couple of weeks.

    The same is mostly true nationally, though some states are seeing increases in their COVID-19 numbers. Most epidemiologists expect that cold states will see their surges peak during colder weather.

    For now, as case and death numbers fall back toward where they were in June, before the summer surge began, the mortality toll of the disease’s summer outbreak in Florida is coming into clear focus.

    More people were reported to have died in Florida since June 20 than in any other state — more than Texas, California, or Arizona. Even when Florida’s large population is factored in, Florida’s per-capita death rate was worse than all other states’, including smaller southern states that suffered harsh summer surges, such as Louisiana and Arkansas.


    Florida Politics examined the Community Profile Reports from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention that were released on June 21, which reported cumulative death data through June 20; and Thursday, which covered data through Wednesday.

    Since June 20, 18,040 Floridians were reported to have died of COVID-19, according to the data.

    In the same period, the second highest death toll was found in Texas, 14,032. California had the nation’s third highest COVID-19 death toll during that period, with 6,338 reported deaths; followed by Georgia, 5,307; and North Carolina, 3,472.

    Since June 20, 84 out of every 100,000 Floridians were reported to have died of COVID-19, according to the CDC data. That rate, adjusting for Florida’s large population, is the worst in the nation.

    The second highest per-capita rate was in Mississippi, where 81 deaths were reported per 100,000 people since June 20. The next highest per-capita death rates were Louisiana, 73; Alabama, 67; and Arkansas, 63.

    Florida Politics also examined reported COVID-19 deaths by county.

    Miami-Dade County suffered more reported deaths than any other county in the nation this summer, with 2,032 recorded since June 20.

    Harris County, Texas, home to Houston, had the second-most reported COVID-19 deaths during the period, with 1,908, followed by Los Angeles County, California, with 1,741. Fourth worst nationally was Broward County, with 1,443 reported COVID-19 deaths during the period.

    The CDC data covers more than 3,200 American counties and parishes.

    Also among the 20 worst counties in the nation for summer COVID-19 deaths were Duval County, with 1,151 deaths reported; Palm Beach County, 1,050; Hillsborough County, 929; Polk County, 884; Pinellas County, 845; Brevard County, 738; Orange County, 692; Lee County, 684; and Marion County, 663.

    On a per-capita basis, nearly all the worst counties in America were rural, low-population counties where a few tragic deaths disproportionately drove up mortality rates.

    Among America’s 604 counties and parishes with at least 100,000 residents, the six counties with the worst death rates all were in Florida.

    Marion County, with a population of 365,579, saw 663 COVID-19 deaths reported since June 20, for a rate of 181 deaths per 100,000 residents during that period. That was the worst in the nation for any county with at least 100,000 residents.

    Citrus County reported COVID-19 deaths at the nation’s second highest rate for counties of at least 100,000, with a rate of 180 deaths per 100,000 residents. Hernando County was next at 173; followed by Bay County, 148; Clay County, 140; and Highlands County, 139.

    Indian River County, Lake County, Brevard, Polk, Duval, Sumter County, and Pasco counties also had death rates among the 20 worst in the nation among counties with at least 100,000 people.
     
    #5071     Oct 20, 2021
  2. Mercor

    Mercor

    After being in the direct path of Delta, Florida still just makes the top 10

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    #5072     Oct 21, 2021
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  3. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

    I must have said it a dozen times. You lack basic critical thinking skills. If ever you are going to read and attempt to understand my post, this is the one, GWB. Try. Try with all your might, because it is an important example of why you and I disconnect regularly. Just once, listen.

    If you were to judge Florida's performance on COVID during the last wave, and ONLY on its performance on COVID, I would absolutely agree with you that Florida didn't do all that well.

    The reason you're the fucking moron you are is because you think it is only about COVID. It isn't. It is about everyone's lives, everyone's freedoms and everyone's right to earn a living.

    I have said this before: If any of us were President, or Czar or whatever for a day and someone told us we could save ONE life if we shut down the economy for 6 months and put millions out of work, out of school, mental issues, supply chain shocks, disrupt the world economy, etc - all to save ONE life, we'd all (unless we were a total lunatic) say "sorry, buddy" to that one person. But we're not about to screw with millions and millions to save one life.

    Now, if we flip to the other extreme and say "You can save millions if you shut the economy down for 5 days", everyone (again, unless we were a total lunatic) would agree to shut it down. These two extremes are easy.

    In between these extremes is a layer of subjectivity where a certain number of deaths is worth a certain amount of global pain. Your level is likely lower than mine as you value health of some more than I do, and I value freedom of all more than you do (apparently). Given that this is about subjectivity (which I think we can agree on), we also - in accepting that - accept that there is more than one variable to this equation. Deaths and Covid cases aren't the only consideration. There has to be a consideration on the rest of the world - the healthy - and the economy.

    So when you judge Florida and look only at its COVID performance, this is because you are ignoring every other variable. And when I (and many like me) judge Florida overall we think that it did the best job it could on ALL VARIABLES - economy, children, schooling, etc...

    Why can you not see this simple concept?
     
    #5073     Oct 21, 2021
  4. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    Yet... Florida ranked only in the middle of economic performance during the time period and many blue states beat it out by any measurement factor (growth, unemployment, etc.)
     
    #5074     Oct 21, 2021
  5. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

    Because it is an apples to oranges comparison. You can't compare Florida's performance when Florida has an outbreak to blue states that don't have an outbreak, especially when one state has different seasonality to the outbreak. Once again, failure to think critically.

    You can only do this over the course of the pandemic.
     
    #5075     Oct 21, 2021
  6. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

    Outstanding. For the Win!

     
    #5076     Oct 21, 2021

  7. I thought private businesses were allowed to do whatever they wanted in running their business with respect to COVID...
     
    #5077     Oct 21, 2021
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  8. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    Nothing more than DeSantis trying to kill more residents of his state. Very sad.

    Florida’s governor wants a special session of the Legislature to pass new COVID laws
    https://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics-government/state-politics/article255170202.html

    Florida’s governor has declared war on mandatory COVID-19 vaccination. At a Thursday news conference in Clearwater, Gov. Ron DeSantis laid out a litany of legislative policy priorities that would undermine federal requirements that workers be vaccinated against the coronavirus. Among the laws DeSantis wants to see passed:

    ▪ A proposal making businesses liable for any medical harm that results from a mandatory vaccination
    ▪ An addendum to the 2021 law protecting businesses from coronavirus-related liability undoing those protections if businesses mandate vaccination for their employees
    ▪ A measure allowing parents to collect attorney’s fees if they win a lawsuit against a school district for enacting illegal coronavirus restrictions
    ▪ A law making it clear that it’s illegal for governments to mandate the vaccine for government employees

    DeSantis said he’s planning to call a special session in November so the Republican-controlled Legislature can consider these and other measures that he said would protect employees from an overreaching government.
    “Quite frankly, this would have been something we would have done last legislative session,” DeSantis said. “If I honestly thought this would be something that would get this far, we would have made it a big priority.”

    The regularly scheduled legislative session starts Jan. 11, 2022.
     
    #5078     Oct 21, 2021
  9. Cuddles

    Cuddles

    cons only tricks left are culture wars & obstruction; they no longer legislate
     
    #5079     Oct 22, 2021

  10. But but.... businesses should be free to do what they want free from government intervention.....

    Just another fucking hypocrite...
     
    #5080     Oct 22, 2021