We should always challenge data that is provided - especially when it is provided in such an environment that is politically charged and manipulated like the one we are given. Don't you challenge and doubt data when you get it from a source on the right? Of course you do. Why? Because you know that group aligns with a narrative that you do not trust. It is the same here. When I get data from someone I know is compromised and not immune to a narrative (which is essentially everyone here) I dig in. If I find inconsistencies, I call them out. As for erring on the side of caution for the virus, I could say that means I should wrap myself completely in PPE, but that isn't a reasonable way to go about living. But that would certainly assure I don't get the virus.
Its so amusing seeing your posts when you can't even construct a grammatically correct sentence, yet you try to give off this air of superiority. Please, don't ever stop! Uh, what? Ooooh, I know! Pick me! Is it...Florida??? Yes. Cherry picking data. Again. I know what you said in your previous post. It was just as useless and provided no data as your current post. At least you are consistent. But keep bringing the cookies! They are my weakness.
Update on data for Florida. Case count up from past two days, but down from peak seen at the end of last week. Deaths, still leveled out. First two charts from the worldometers site (for DeSantis haters). The Covidactnow data has revised the end of July death estimate up overnight by 1000 deaths (yesterday they were calling for 15k), which is curious. This would imply they see something that would suggest they believe death counts to rise significantly in the next few weeks. I had thought they would revise this down, and it appears I was incorrect. Current deaths are at 3554. This means we will have to average 414 deaths a day until the end of the month if we are to hit this forecast. Thus far we are averaging high 30s to low 40s. That is quite a leap. There is no change in any of the other forecasting data. Now that the morning charts have been posted - let the DeSantis and Trump hating commence! I expect at least the same amount of hate articles against DeSantis, "Chumpie" (Suntrader's pet name) and links showing how everyone is going to die in Florida and we're all doomed. Bonus points for hurricane predictions showing the end of the state, and extra bonus points if you can link these predictions negatively to DeSantis in some way.
For the stats guys. A quick look at google says 2,813,503 deaths in USA in 2017. So probably close to 3 million in 2019 factoring in the rise in population. With this covid virus what total number can we expect in 2020? 4 million, 5 , 6, 7 million? Is it going to be a huge percentage rise?
That's a really difficult question because of some of these points (I'm probably missing some)... 1. Covid deaths annualized are being forecasted, and the forecasts thus far haven't exactly been accurate. 2. Total deaths impacted by Covid would also have to factor in deaths that did not occur because of Covid (no one driving, no auto deaths as an example). I'm sure you can get to this by looking at 10 year trends enhanced by population growth, etc. Whatever number that we come up with is going to resemble more estimate than fact no matter what, and people on both sides of the narrative are going to try to twist it in their light. That's just where we are.
So that's a different question, and one that leads me back to the advantages v. disadvantages of a lockdown argument. What if you find out that total deaths hasn't risen at all? You might find that cancer deaths are down and auto accidents are down, yet there are a TON of Covid deaths (I don't believe this is the case, but playing Devil's Advocate). I'd ask what the lockdown did for us, and what it did TO us. Then, once we consider it we should consider what to do. If Covid only truly has a great risk to seniors and those with certain co-morbities, shouldn't we just take extra care with those people and let the rest of the world go on with their lives and get it?
DeSantis doubles down on "winning" Florida governor "not going back" on reopening as COVID cases surge https://news.yahoo.com/florida-governor-not-going-back-174223253.html Florida Governor Ron DeSantis says the state is "not going back" on reopening its economy, even as it's surged to become one of the nation's top states for new coronavirus cases. The Sunshine State is reporting thousands of new cases a day and recently set a new one-day record for infections. "We're not going back, closing things. I don't think that that's really what's driving it, people going to a business is not what's driving it," DeSantis, a Republican, said at a press conference Tuesday. "I think when you see the younger folks, I think a lot of it is more just social interactions, so that's natural." Young adults unconcerned by coronavirus "may be killing other people," doctor warns DeSantis said that rather than roll back on reopening, the state would continue to encourage social distancing and prioritize the health of elderly and vulnerable residents. "We're open. We know who we need to protect," he said. "Most of the folks in those younger demographics, although we want them to be mindful of what's going on, are just simply much much less at risk than the folks who are in those older age groups." Florida reported more than 5,000 new coronavirus cases daily for nearly a week, including a record of 9,585 cases in one day on June 26. The percentage of new test results coming back positive has also increased, indicating that the rise is not just due to more testing but to actual growth in the outbreak. As of Wednesday afternoon, the state's health department has confirmed a total of 159,000 cases and 3,550 deaths. In the early weeks of the pandemic, DeSantis celebrated the state's relatively low numbers, saying in late April that the "biggest obstacle" is "fear sparked by constant doom and gloom and hysteria that has permeated our culture." Florida began the first phase of its reopening in early May, and moved into the second phase for nearly every county on June 5. Phase 2 of the reopening allows bars, restaurants and some entertainment venues to have 50% capacity for indoor seating. Other public venues — including gyms, museums and stores — could operate at full capacity with social distancing and sanitation measures. Florida is one of four states — along with Arizona, California and Texas — that now account for the majority of the more than 40,000 new coronavirus cases confirmed every day in the U.S. While DeSantis has stood by the state's reopening plans, governors in other states with surging cases have responded differently. Texas Governor Greg Abbott, also a Republican, paused the state's reopening last week and said he regretted allowing bars to reopen so soon. California Governor Gavin Newsom, a Democrat, closed bars in several counties and said he plans to announce more restrictions this week. And Arizona Governor Doug Ducey, a Republican, ordered a shutdown of bars, gyms, movie theaters and other businesses that reopened in May. Dr. Anthony Fauci and other federal health officials expressed concern in a Senate hearing Tuesday about states that reopened too soon. Fauci warned that the U.S. could see 100,000 new coronavirus cases a day if it does not get control of the pandemic.
DeSantis said that rather than roll back on reopening, the state would continue to encourage social distancing and prioritize the health of elderly and vulnerable residents. "We're open. We know who we need to protect," he said. "Most of the folks in those younger demographics, although we want them to be mindful of what's going on, are just simply much much less at risk than the folks who are in those older age groups." Yes! And this is what I support.
This is actually an example of why he is completely off-base and has driven Florida down the path of a disastrous COVID-19 response.