DeSantis for the win

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Tsing Tao, May 21, 2020.

  1. Buy1Sell2

    Buy1Sell2

    TRAVEL REQUIREMENTS (May 20, 2021)----St Maarten---how many more would you like me to post?
    All incoming passengers are subjected to temperature checks and other screening protocols and may be subjected to mandatory testing at their own expense. Failure to comply with the screening at the Health Check Point upon arrival will result in you not being cleared to enter St. Maarten and sent back to your originating country.
     
    #3941     May 27, 2021
  2. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    You do realize the requirement for flying in by airline to these countries is different then the requirements that they are imposing on cruise ships.
     
    #3942     May 27, 2021
  3. Buy1Sell2

    Buy1Sell2

    Nice try.
     
    #3943     May 27, 2021
  4. Buy1Sell2

    Buy1Sell2

    Key Information for Cruise Ship Travelers

    • CDC recommends that all people avoid travel on cruise ships, including river cruises, worldwide. That's because the chance of getting COVID-19 on cruise ships is high, since the virus appears to spread more easily between people in close quarters aboard ships. It is especially important that people with anincreased risk of severe illnessavoid travel on cruise ships, including river cruises.
    • Cruise passengers are at increased risk of person-to-person spread of infectious diseases, including COVID-19, and outbreaks of COVID-19 have been reported on cruise ships.
    • People who decide to go on a cruise shouldget tested 1–3 days before their trip and 3–5 days after their trip,even if they arefully vaccinated.
    • In addition to testing, passengers who are unvaccinatedshould self-quarantine for 7 days after cruise travel, even if they test negative. If they do not get tested, they should self-quarantine for 10 days after cruise travel.
    • Passengers who are fully vaccinatedwith an FDA-authorized vaccine or a vaccine authorized by emergency use by the World Health Organization do not need to self-quarantine after cruise travel.
     
    #3944     May 27, 2021
  5. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    You better go read the announcements from the three major cruise lines which require all passengers 16 and over to be vaccinated. Vaccinated passengers are not required to take Covid tests.
     
    Last edited: May 27, 2021
    #3945     May 27, 2021
  6. Snarkhund

    Snarkhund

    Curacao and Bonaire are where many moor for the hurricane season. If its a bad season I might go to San Andrea or Grenada to get farther out of the way. Bonaire is particularly nice and yeah you have to be tested but that is going to be almost everywhere for awhile.
     
    #3946     May 27, 2021
  7. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    Don't get excited about Florida cruises yet. The state's 'vaccine passport' ban creates ocean of confusion
    https://www.usatoday.com/story/trav...-cdc-florida-vaccine-passport-ban/7464685002/

    Celebrity Cruises is the first cruise line to receive approval from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention to sail with paying passengers. But there's a complication: Florida law.

    The CDC approval hinges on a vaccine requirement. Celebrity, a subsidiary of Royal Caribbean Group, will require 100% of crew members and 95% of passengers who will be on board the Celebrity Edge to be fully vaccinated when the ship sets sail on a seven-night cruise June 26 from Fort Lauderdale, Florida, and for sailings thereafter.

    But that requirement is at odds with a Florida state law banning "vaccine passports," which goes into effect on July 1, and is also outlined in an executive order from Republican Gov. Ron DeSantis.

    "Vaccine passport" is a term referring to proof of vaccination. While there's no official national or international document serving as such a passport,various types of COVID-19 vaccine certification are being developed in some parts of the world, such as Europe.

    The opposite of a smooth sailing start
    Between the CDC's cruise vaccine rules, Florida's vaccine passport ban and cruise line plans, an extremely murky situation is clouding the return to cruising from Florida ports.

    The question remains whether ships will be able to sail from Florida with the state's "vaccine passport" ban in place – or what the ramifications will be should they inquire about passengers' vaccination status, which is required by the CDC but banned by the state.

    "Requiring customers to show proof of immunization violates the spirit of the governor’s Emergency Order 21-81, which prohibits vaccine passports and protects the fundamental rights of Floridians – including the right to medical privacy," Christina Pushaw, DeSantis' press secretary, told USA TODAY Thursday.

    For cruise lines offering cruises on ships with paying passengers, the CDC is requiring that 95% of crew and 95% of passengers be fully vaccinated to board.

    Simulated cruises, which will be filled with volunteer nonpaying passengers, do not have the same mandate. But there is some complexity, as well. Volunteer passengers are still required to share information about their vaccination status on these test cruises.

    And while passengers participating in test cruises aren't required to be vaccinated against COVID-19, they must have written documentation from a health care provider or must self certify that they aren't at a heightened risk for COVID-19 if they aren't, according to the CDC. And all must agree to be evaluated for COVID-19 symptoms before embarking and after disembarking, along with an agreement to be tested for COVID-19 three to five days following the cruise.

    Royal Caribbean International, a sibling line to Celebrity Cruises, has received CDC approval for sucha test cruise.

    Celebrity Cruises says COVID-19 vaccine requirement stands
    Celebrity Cruises intends to keep the Edge on schedule past July 1 with a full season of seven-night cruises from Fort Lauderdale running through the end of October, Susan Lomax, spokesperson for Celebrity, told USA TODAY Thursday.

    "We are working to finalize our health and safety measures for cruises departing from U.S. ports, including Florida, in collaboration with the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, as well as local authorities in the U.S. and destinations we visit," Celebrity said in a statement provided by Lomax.

    "Our commitment to sail with fully vaccinated crew members and guests still stands as it is a meaningful layer to ensure we make every effort to help keep safe our guests, crew and the communities we visit," Celebrity continued.

    Passengers will be required to present their official vaccine verification at the cruise terminal ahead of boarding.

    Florida says cruise lines need to comply
    Pushaw said that the CDC has "no legal authority" to set requirements for cruise lines to follow.

    "Governor DeSantis has been continuously fighting for the cruise industry," she continued. "The CDC arbitrarily singled out the cruise industry, and their requirements are unlawful. The CDC cannot mandate vaccines, nor passports. Attempting to do so not only violates civil liberties, but also discriminates against families with children who enjoy vacations – while causing undue economic hardship to the businesses that support the ports."

    If cruise lines comply with the CDC and ask passengers to show proof they are vaccinated against COVID-19, they will be in violation of Gov. DeSantis' executive order and, after July 1, state law.

    "We look forward to seeing Celebrity Cruises set sail in compliance with Florida law," Pushaw said.

    Pushaw was unable to comment on whether test cruises would be in compliance with Florida law given they don't have a vaccine requirement but still require information on volunteer passengers' vaccination status.

    Can Florida stop cruise lines from requiring COVID-19 vaccine proof?
    Jim Walker, a maritime and cruise ship attorney from Miami, told USA TODAY that there is no quick answer to the opposing powers.

    According to Walker, the CDC trumps DeSantis’ authority in terms of health requirements on board a cruise ship.

    That said, a cruise line would need to take DeSantis to court for that to be made clear. But there are many reasons cruise companies might not want to make an enemy out of DeSantis, who, as governor of Florida, heads one of the world's cruise capitals.

    "It is conceivable that Gov. DeSantis could blink, so to speak, and the Florida statute could be withdrawn, but he seems committed to making a direct political move catering to his base," Walker said.

    DeSantis' reasoning for the vaccine passport ban has to do with personal liberties and equality, according to Pushaw.

    "Gov. DeSantis has stated many times that allowing the CDC to dictate that private businesses must require 'vaccine passports' for Floridians taking part in everyday life – attending sporting events, dining at restaurants, or even going on cruises – would create two unequal classes of citizens based on vaccination status," Pushaw said. "This would be discriminatory, unethical, and harmful for society."

    Though one doesn't currently exist, a federal statute requiring proof of vaccine could also override a state law, according to Walker.
     
    #3947     May 28, 2021
  8. ElCubano

    ElCubano

    Exactly. And any spots vacated will be easily replaced.
     
    #3948     May 28, 2021
  9. ElCubano

    ElCubano

    I walked into a Publix yesterday no mask. It was surreal. lol
     
    #3949     May 28, 2021

  10. yeah but if cruise lines want to require vaccine proof that is THEIR business whether it is a good decision or not. the cruise industry is not owned by Florida.... hundreds of thousands of people fly in from other states to go on cruises and DeSantis is not a dictator telling private business what to do.

    FLorida needs the cruise ship industry way more.... form the shoreside services, taxis, airport, local food and labor, the cruise industry is a huge revenue and job creator for the State.

    RCL and CCL are not pulling out of Florida due to proximity to the Carribbean but Florida cannot tell private business that their policy in 2021 requiring vaccine proof in adults is illegal.
     
    #3950     May 28, 2021