I believe this is the case. I would think other areas of the US that have looked comparatively worse in recent months might want the numbers to be real. Both to ensure the disease and variants get destroyed or mitigated, and to dissuade any bad theories that areas of the US may try again if another epidemic hits. Look at how easily the deniers on here think restrictions and masks have no impact on Covid spread, and that Florida's ignorant policies work. If Florida or any other state refuses to play ball on the next epidemic event, the state borders may have to be closed at some point. That might help push people towards compliance.
Please present those numerous medical sources. I would like to read such studies. When in history did we lock down the healthy? That was rare and/or local if it ever occurred. If we did not develop herd immunity in the past .. we would not be here. Remember all the history about Europeans bringing viruses over to the Americas and killing off the natives who had not built up immunities. But... the Euros had immunity? How could that be? Fucking idiots. You all are really mushroomy as fuck. You all just love to be in the dark and fed shit... without out thinking.
Yet.... you don't even realize the huge number of Europeans these diseases killed. Oh... and how did Europeans deal with pandemics before the age of vaccines? They locked-own. Proper public health policy to deal with pandemics has been in place for centuries.
He doesn't care about any of the facts that are presented. Yours is an exercise in futility and you are feeding the troll.
Try again... We have had these discussions and you try to extrapolate temporary local measures during the Spanish flu and Polio to wide ranging lockdowns of the healthy. You have never produced such info yet. While I have produce many histories like this... in which You close down the borders. You isolate the infected from the healthy. You may protect the high risk . a bit. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7439156/ The term ‘quarantine’ comes from the Italian word ‘quarantena’, which means a period of 40 days (in Italian, 40 is ‘quaranta’; the latter derives from the Latin word quadrāgintā). During the 14th century, 40 days was the length of strict isolation required for ships suspected of carrying an infectious or contagious illness before their passengers and crew were allowed to land. This practice was usual in Venice in the 1300s, in an effort to stave off plague (‘black death’). It entered English language in the early 1600s.6 7 An early mention of ‘isolation’ dates back to the 7th century B.C. or maybe earlier in the Leviticus, the third book of the Old Testament in the Bible. In that book, the procedure of separating infected from healthy people to prevent leprosy from spreading, according to Mosaic Law was described, (if the shiny spot on the skin is white but does not appear to be more than skin deep and the hair in it has not turned white, the priest is to isolate the affected person for seven days. On the seventh day the priest is to examine him, and if he sees that the sore is unchanged and has not spread in the skin, he is to isolate him for another seven days).8 However, nowhere in these forerunner reports was the term ‘quarantine’ used. After arriving in Southern Europe in 1347, plague spread rapidly and reached England, Germany and Russia by 1350.6 Over these years, one-third of the European population passed away. The dramatic impact of the epidemic led governments to put in place extreme infection control measures. For instance, in 1374, Viscount Bernabo of Reggio, Italy, declared that every person with plague was to be taken out of that city into the fields, where to die or to recover.9
Once again you confuse port quarantines of ships that came from infected ports.... with the lockdowns of entire in-land towns that happened during plagues (and other disease breakouts) and communities blocking access in or out. Also take a look at wealthy people fleeing cities during disease breakouts and socially isolating in estates in the countryside for "social distancing". All of this was early forms of public policy for addressing pandemics.
1. First of all blocking access in an out... is what a quarantine is. Did you not read that article... You are the confused one... moron. Communities blocking access in and out is something I advocated since week 1 or 2 . I think you were against. Since you were a fan boy of Fauci. 2. Social distancing is the second thing I have advocated. 3. You still have not shown us any historical examples of widespread locking down of the healthy low risk the way we did it in Europe and North America for Covid. Why do you always leave that part out?
There are plenty of articles and historical summaries of Europe's response to previous pandemics -- over time back to medieval times. Easily found using Google. Some of the information is quite interesting. And all it shows that their response to lockdown is not much different than the proper public health policy of today. It also shows that groups of people back in history had different responses -- there were deniers even back then. Medieval Europeans didn’t understand how the plague spread. Their response wasn’t so different from ours now. https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...6af29c-07e9-11eb-8719-0df159d14794_story.html When the new disease first arrived, little was clear beyond the fact that it killed with terrifying speed. Near-certain death trailed the first symptoms by four days or less. The doctors were helpless. This city was soon overwhelmed with corpses. Workers in church yards dug pits down to the water table, layering bodies and dirt, more bodies and dirt. One writer of the time compared the mass graves to “lasagna.” Seven centuries later, the plague in Europe stands as an example of a pandemic at its worst— what happens when so many people die so quickly that some foresee the end of the human race. Few places were hit harder than Florence, whose population in 1348 was cut by at least a third and possibly far more. We had figured a trip to Florence might provide some comforting perspective on modern times — a chance to dwell on a period that was patently deadlier and more fear-inducing than the coronavirus pandemic. But instead, as we spoke with historians and searched for the plague’s lasting marks, what stood out most were the similarities, 672 years apart. Theirs was a mysterious bacteria spreading at a time when people didn’t yet understand disease transmission; ours, a novel virus infiltrating a world that prides itself on its medical knowledge. But in both cases, the first instinct was to close borders to try to keep the disease at bay. When that didn’t work, officials called for strict rules — but only some people paid attention. All the while, there was a proliferation of conspiracy theories. Many tried to blame the disease on outsiders or minorities — in medieval Europe, often Jews. “Much has changed since the 1340s,” author John Kelly wrote in his book on the plague, “but not human nature.” Then like now, people were divided over how to face the threat. Some in Florence shut themselves inside their homes and lived in isolation, according to a detailed account from 14th-century writer and poet Giovanni Boccaccio. Others ventured out in public, armed with herbs and spices intended to purify the air — a medieval version of HVAC filters and masks. Still others were cavalier about the disease and went about their lives socializing, drinking heavily, “satisfying their appetites by any means available,” Boccaccio wrote. Nobody was safe, and isolation scarcely worked as a safeguard in a dense city. But the people who gathered in groups courted greater risk. Marchionne di Coppo Stefani, a wealthy Florentine, wrote of daring dinner parties in which a host would gather 10 friends, with plans to reconvene again the next night. At the next dinner, Stefani said, sometimes “two or three were missing.” Worst of all, in an obvious parallel to the present, many faced their last moments cut off from everybody else, according to accounts from the time. During the plague, these lonely deaths were not the result of public health protocols but the product of sheer terror. People, after the onset of symptoms, were a mortal danger to those around them. So in some cases, family members abandoned sick loved ones, even children. Their deaths were noticed only when neighbors smelled the rotting corpses. “Many departed this life,” Boccaccio wrote, “without anyone at all as a witness.” Searching for traces of the plague The plague lashed Europe again and again over centuries — devastating London in the 1660s andMarseille, France, in 1720 — but nothing was worse than what struck in the late 1340s and early 1350s, when the disease touched almost the entire continent and killed tens of millions of people. This was Europe’s first wave. Florence was one of the hot spots. To understand what it was like at the time, we enlisted Donatella Lippi, a professor of medical history at the University of Florence, as a tour guide. And on a recent morning, she took us through the city, which in the tourist-free quiet of the coronavirus pandemic looked like a pristine medieval theater set. In 1348, she said, the city was in its own state of near-lockdown. The inns were closed. The workshops closed, too. “I imagine Florence at night in this period,” Lippi said. “The city was immersed in darkness.” People were panicked. It was unclear how the disease spread — but there was no doubt that proximity to others was a risk. Animals — oxen, dogs, pigs — were dying, as well. People wondered whether it was retribution from God. They prayed and disavowed sin. They obsessed about the air and used scents and fires to ward off perceived deadly vapors. They were mostly guessing; scientists wouldn’t know what actually caused the plague — how the bacteria was spread by rats and fleas — until 500 years later. Among Florence’s hospitals at the time, at least one was accepting the sick, just a small building with a few beds. Lippi guided us around a street corner and there it was: now a facility spanning much of a city block, with a white tent outside, a screening area for potential coronavirus patients. Lippi led us through the frescoed entranceway, down several corridors, to a quiet courtyard covered in scruffy grass. She explained that in the 18th century, excavators discovered layer upon layer of human bones — hospital dead who went unclaimed by family members. Some bones dated back to the 1300s, meaning they may have died of the plague. “Probably,” Lippi said. “We don’t know for sure.” What she does know for sure is that plague pits were dug all over the city and that all the usual customs for grieving together and mourning collapsed. In the absence of family processions, gravediggers desperate for money took over the task of transporting the dead bodies, dropping them in mass graves. Lippi said that before the coronavirus pandemic, she had studied the plague with the “distance of a historian.” But she thought about the pits of plague victims in March, when hundreds were dying of covid-19, the disease caused by the novel coronavirus, in Italy every day, when crematoriums couldn’t keep up, and when military trucks were called into the city of Bergamo to haul away the dead. Escaping death by leaving the city At a time when people were trying to avoid the disease with trial-and-error strategies, only one thing seemed to work: If the plague arrived in your city, drop everything, flee the crowds and take refuge in the countryside. Boccaccio’s masterpiece, “The Decameron,” was written several years after the disease had swept through Florence and describes a fictional getaway: 10 young characters leaving the plague-hit city and heading into the hills. The place where they were depicted seeking refuge was most likely Fiesole, a town about six miles northeast of Florence. So one morning — trying to better imagine such an escape — we followed the same winding roads out of town, up the terraced hills, past a smattering of luxury homes. Fiesole has basically become a high-altitude Florentine suburb. All through the coronavirus pandemic, there have been accounts of people taking their own countryside flights to safety — New Yorkers decamping to the Hamptons, British urbanites seeking out holiday cottages. People were doing much the same thing as Boccaccio’s characters. Amid the coronavirus emergency, they were even fleeing Florence for Fiesole. We soon found ourselves at an ocher villa talking to Simone Cerrina Feroni, 62. He didn’t live there. It was his ex-wife’s home. But as Italy’s coronavirus crisis deepened this spring, his ex-wife invited him to leave his Florence apartment. He had a heart condition. He would be safer away from the crowds. “It’s a very close connection,” she said. He said yes, and he spent the next 50 days at the villa with his ex-wife and her brother, almost never leaving the property. The weather was mild, he said; the air, clean. They had noon lunches with formal table settings and dinner outside in the garden. The danger, he said, always felt far away. Boccaccio’s 14th-century characters passed their time in self-imposed exile by telling stories about kings, priests and sex. But Cerrina Feroni said his ex-wife had already heard all of his stories many times over, and he had likewise heard all of hers. So instead, during pandemic lockdown in Fiesole, they watched Netflix.
so as I said you have no proof of widespread lockdowns of the the healty.. When are you going to cease lying and bullshitting in response to facts. Now quick go search so more... and by luck... fail to be the proven liar you are. ----- Look I am going to give they only real argument you have and it is also why you have been plagued with a lack of history to support your bullshit. I have been waiting for over a year... for just one lockdown idiot to say this either in my real life... or here. You all are so fucking ignorant of history and money and economics... it scares me that you are allowed to vote in your own countries. The vast majority of governments could not afford to tell people not to work even if they so desired. Money was much harder to create for most governments and rulers in the past. So they could not just tell healthy people to close their businesses for year and they will support them. It was not an option in most places. Uneducated, unthinking Lock Down morons.
Except for all the stories of entire cities locking down for previous pandemics with various levels of compliance of people with the orders of their leaders.... not much different than today.