DeSantis for the win

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Tsing Tao, May 21, 2020.

  1. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    Previous articles in this thread covered that information.

    Notice that no other state except for Florida has the media suing it to get COVID variant data. This makes DeSantis' Florida a very "special" state -- "special" as in little bus special when it comes to governance.
     
    #3421     Mar 24, 2021
  2. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

    Again, if you could show me where the proof of every other state is doing it is, I'd gladly retract my original statement. I'm guessing that your hesitation to do this is because you can't show me. Though I can't be sure.

    As for no other state being sued, this is obviously because no other state has political public enemy #1 making them look like a horse's ass with his (Desantis') results and growing popularity in a state with very left leaning media.
     
    #3422     Mar 24, 2021
  3. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    All the other states are generally being very transparent with their data -- including having university medical researchers review the COVID data. A few states had a rocky start (e.g. Georgia) before they came around and became transparent. DeSantis and Florida are being criticized because they are hiding and manipulating the state's COVID data while continually pushing misinformation for political purposes. Other states are not being sued because they provide the data to the media.
     
    #3423     Mar 24, 2021
  4. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

    Right, I've heard you say this ad nauseum. I've not seen any proof. Where is the proof that all other states are showing variant data? Where is a reputable source claiming that all other states are showing it?
     
    #3424     Mar 24, 2021
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  5. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    "DeSantis for the win" -- let's listen to the crackpots and kill as many people as possible in Florida.

    Florida health experts blast DeSantis’ group of ‘immunity through infection’ backers

    https://www.orlandosentinel.com/pol...0210325-bzsp4mnst5blddfotmtsp2ma4i-story.html

    There has been no more controversial COVID-19 pandemic theory than herd immunity through “natural infection,” the idea that lifting all coronavirus restrictions and letting the virus run through the lower-risk under-60 population is the best way for people to become immune.

    Gov. Ron DeSantis hasn’t openly espoused it, but almost all of his actions over the past year, including pushing for Florida to be “open” and dismissing local mask mandates, could be considered in alignment with it. On March 18, DeSantis held his second roundtable with some of its biggest proponents and touted their comments as proof he had deftly handled the pandemic.

    Yet, health experts in Florida have pushed back against the ideas proposed by DeSantis’ panelists, including their hostility to masks, social distancing, and most anti-COVID measures. And they warned that Floridians — and hordes of spring breakvisitors — are letting up on those practices as vaccines become more available.

    “The virus is very good at finding vulnerable populations,” said Jason Salemi, a researcher at the University of South Florida who created his own COVID-19 dashboard. “This virus is going to do whatever we allow it to do.”

    ‘That plan does not make sense’
    During DeSantis’ event, panelist Scott Atlas said, “I don’t know why this idea that herd immunity, which is a biological phenomenon, from enough people that get infected and/or have vaccination protection has become controversial.”

    Atlas, a former President Trump advisor and senior fellow at the Hoover Institution of Stanford University, was condemned by the Stanford Faculty Senate last year for “promot[ing] a view of COVID-19 that contradicts medical science.”

    The other three DeSantis panelists, Sunetra Gupta, an epidemiologist at Oxford University; Jay Bhattacharya, professor of medicine at Stanford University; and Martin Kulldorff, a professor of medicine at Harvard Medical School, were the authors of the Great Barrington Declaration, which openly called for herd immunity through natural infection.

    “The most compassionate approach … is to allow those who are at minimal risk of death to live their lives normally to build up immunity to the virus through natural infection, while better protecting those who are at highest risk,” they wrote in October.

    The declaration was blasted by the scientific community. In an open letter to the medical journal The Lancet signed by more than 80 researchers, Deepti Gurdasani of Queen Mary University of London called the theory “a dangerous fallacy unsupported by scientific evidence. ... It is not feasible to restrict uncontrolled outbreaks to particular sections of society.”

    But the theory found a willing audience in DeSantis.

    There was “much more evidence that natural infection provides immunity than ... from vaccines,” Kulldorff told the governor on March 18.

    Gupta told DeSantis she “would recommend to most non-immune persons they shouldn’t wear masks or engage in social distancing.”

    A spokesperson for DeSantis did not respond to a request for comment on whether the governor agrees fully with the panelists.

    Sarah St. Louis, president of the Central Florida Medical Society, a professional organization for African American doctors, responded that “as a physician and healthcare professional, and also as a scientist, the majority of us would think that that plan does not make sense.”

    Pushing for natural immunity “puts a lot of people’s lives at risk,” St. Louis said. “Opening up the community completely and having absolutely no rules or restrictions, for the simple gratification of a group of people that don’t feel that the virus will affect them, is really putting selfishness before human basic rights and health care.”

    Melissa Levine, director of the Center for Leadership in Public Health Practice at the University of South Florida and a former Virginia state health commissioner, agreed.

    “Herd immunity from natural means is very risky,” Levine said. “Because if you take a large population of younger people in that group, there are going to be people at higher risk for serious disease, and potentially even death. Not as great as older folks, but they’re still at risk, and we can’t predict who those people necessarily will be.”

    While the mortality rate is highest for those ages 65 and above, more than 13,000 people 45 and younger have died of COVID in the U.S., according to the Centers for Disease Control. And the mortality rate increases for younger people who are Black or Hispanic.

    “Every population is important,” St. Louis said. “It’s not that we are focusing on one group over another, we’re trying to protect all groups.”

    An ‘experiment’
    Atlas also praised Florida as an “experiment, because of Gov. DeSantis here,” in comparing it an “open state” versus other states with continued lockdowns, mask mandates and other COVID restrictions.

    “When you look at things like excess mortality rate, which is the number of deaths over what you would have expected that year … it turns out Florida beat 70% of the states,” Atlas argued. “These other states did severe lockdowns. And when you look at Florida compared to California … California did 50% worse than Florida, because of its severe lockdowns.”

    Health experts in Florida, however, pushed back at the idea that the state was completely open when DeSantis himself had locked down the state for a month last April. In addition, some of the largest counties, including Orange, Miami-Dade, Hillsborough and Pinellas, as well as cities such as Tampa, Miami Beach and Orlando, have had mask mandates and other COVID restrictions to this day.

    “A lot of people, when they were comparing states, [said], ‘State X was wide open, state X was really closed,’” Salemi said. “[But] there were mask mandates in Florida.’'

    DeSantis’s lockdown came after Orange and other counties had announced shutdowns of their own, and the state’s Department of Business and Professional Regulation banned selling alcohol in bars twice for several months.

    But since then, DeSantis has expressed regret for lockdowns, saying “they’ve done great damage to our country” and vowing never to do it again. He’s also promised no further limiting of dining and retail capacity and has weakened local mask mandates by waiving all fines.

    DeSantis defended his approach, pointing to the fact that Florida ranks 29th in terms of infections per capita, 27th in deaths per capita, and 37th in the percentage of excess deaths, according to the Centers for Disease Control.

    “I would say in general, Florida’s kind of middle of the pack,” Salemi said. “But the goal we’re striving for should not be ‘middle of the pack’, or how we’re doing relative to everybody else, but what’s the best decision for my state, my community, my city.”

    Miami Beach Mayor Dan Gelber blamed DeSantis’ “open” rhetoric for the influx of spring breakers into his city, leading him to declare a state of emergency and potentially contributing to the plateauing infection numbers in the state.

    “I’m not a fan of the way he’s handled this,” Gelber told Politico. “When you have a sense of the chaos here, no one — not one of the visitors — are thinking about wearing a mask.”

    ‘We missed the ball’
    The panelists at DeSantis’ roundtable also questioned the efficacy of mask-wearing, despite multiple studies showing it’s one of the best ways of preventing virus transmission.

    Bhattacharya said he believed mask-wearing was actually “harmful” because people end up taking more risks, while Gupta said it “had a negative impact in all kinds of ways.”

    St. Louis, though, said the state “missed the ball on the efficacy and the importance of these measures, because we didn’t institute these rules from the get-go back in 2020.”

    “Is everyone going to do it perfectly? No,” she said. “There are still people walking around with the mask beneath their nose. ... But it can be effective, and it can decrease numbers. And I do think that it’s still necessary.”

    DeSantis waived all local mask fines last month, saying that he believes mandates don’t work. But he’s also gotten criticism for holding maskless indoor events himself and for rhetoric such as calling Florida “an oasis of freedom” from COVID restrictions at a CPAC event in Orlando where mask-wearing was spotty at best.

    “We could have done much better, in my opinion, if we didn’t have such [anti-mask] messaging, particularly from leadership,” Levine said. “And I was sad to see things like masks became politicized. Because they’re not political issues, they’re public health issues.”
     
    #3425     Mar 25, 2021
  6. destriero

    destriero


    lol when were you at Citadel?
     
    #3426     Mar 28, 2021
  7. jem

    jem

    Could you have been more wrong and how poorly the non lockdown states and countries would do?

    Were you not predicting the Covid apocalypse in Florida and Sweden?


    When will gwBe-lying cease being such a foolish, deceitful fear mongering piece of shit?

    You have been wrong for a year on lockdowns vs no lockdowns.
    Sweden, Texas, Florida and all the other non lockdown places have doing been better than average... and they have preserved life liberty and freedom far better.

    Your anti liberty team of non data driven fascists are having to lockdown over and over.


     
    Last edited: Mar 28, 2021
    #3427     Mar 28, 2021
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  8. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

    He's desperate. More and more data is coming out showing his support has been wrong all along. It will continue to come out and he'll stubbornly shriek that he was right until he grows hoarse. He'll end up in a footnote as one of the lunatics that brought us here.
     
    #3428     Mar 29, 2021
  9. destriero

    destriero

    Florida has more COVID deaths per capita than California. Do you recall what you fucks stated about Cali's shutdown? Cali's urban centers much more densely populated.
     
    #3429     Mar 29, 2021
  10. destriero

    destriero


    Where is snark?
     
    #3430     Mar 29, 2021