First, I posted one tweet from that individual - back in October. I don't even follow her. If you would like to debate that tweet, lets debate the data in that tweet. That's the only tweet I posted of her (unless you can find a single additional tweet from her and we can discuss that one). I am unaware of other tweets of hers, apparently you are - you must follow her more than I. So lets discuss the tweet. What about the chart is incorrect? As for the...prom post? Is that what you said? Which tweet is a prom post that I made?
Let's get into the source of the Jennifer Cabrera data you are pushing as "evidence" of a death conspiracy in Florida to push your anti-lockdown views. This is typical of the data sources you push. Let's take a further look at her chart and fabrications. https://www.elitetrader.com/et/threads/desantis-for-the-win.345108/page-218#post-5246053 ====================================================== So the DeSantis Administration invites a COVID denier blogger to review non-public state data (which Florida refuses to share with university medical researchers) so they can create anti-lockdown, "COVID is harmless" propaganda. Once the COVID denier advocate publishes complete nonsense - DeSantis' spokesperson and his allies push the nonsense on their Twitter accounts. ‘It’s crap’: DeSantis office ‘leaks’ state records to fuel COVID-19 death ‘conspiracy’ https://www.miamiherald.com/news/coronavirus/article246987122.html Jennifer Cabrera isn’t an epidemiologist. Although she holds degrees in electrical engineering, she’s not a scientist either. But as the conservative blogger said on Facebook, she has “followers in the governor’s office.” One of them is Gov. Ron DeSantis. So in late October, Cabrera visited Florida’s Capitol and was mysteriously allowed to examine a month’s worth of COVID-19 death certificates — records that the state is not willing to concede are public and that it is not releasing to academics and journalists seeking to better understand the toll of the coronavirus pandemic. Cabrera then wrote a post on her blog with her husband, Len, claiming that the state is overcounting COVID-19 deaths. “We can tell you definitively that Florida is counting deaths that were not directly caused by COVID-19,” the Cabreras wrote, arguing that some people died with COVID-19 but not from COVID-19. That’s a meaningless distinction, according to public health experts. And the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention say that deaths are actually being undercounted nationwide. But the misleading Oct. 30 blog post fed into a narrative pushed by DeSantis and President Donald Trump, who argue without evidence that scientists are blowing COVID-19 deaths out of proportion. Fred Piccolo Jr., DeSantis’ spokesman, shared Cabrera’s post on Twitter — effectively accusing the governor’s own health department of exaggerating the death toll. It all played out as DeSantis was helping engineer Trump’s win in Florida and playing up his own response to the virus. (Trump won the state handily after joking he would “fire” DeSantis, a close ally, if Joe Biden emerged victorious.) “There has been this constant drumbeat of ‘Oh, most of the COVID deaths aren’t really COVID deaths.’ It’s been a conspiracy that’s been ongoing from a lot of right-wing media,” said Dr. Ashish Jha, dean of the School of Public Health at Brown University. “Anyone who understands medicine knows it’s crap.If you ascribed that theory to heart attack deaths, you’d say they died from underlying conditions like hypertension or diabetes.It’s like, what? It’s still a heart attack. It doesn’t make any sense. ...The people who are pushing this argument clearly haven’t spent any time in a hospital or know anything about infectious diseases.” The governor, however, rejects the scientific consensus that COVID-19 has killed more than 230,000 Americans, according to Piccolo. “He really just wants to get enough data to figure outwhether either of these sides are true,” said Piccolo, referring to epidemiologists on the one hand and a group of bloggers and media personalities on the other. Then came Cabrera’s blog post, based on 700 death certificates but spun to tout a baseless conspiracy theory. LEAK FROM NOWHERE The story of how Cabrera got the documents, in spite of the secrecy surrounding them, is filled with contradictions and unanswered questions. Cabrera told the Miami Herald that a third-party organization had provided her with the records, which had been photocopied and redacted. She was not allowed to take pictures or make copies. “I cannot tell you who showed them to me,” she told the Herald in an interview. “I can tell you we were put in a conference room with a babysitter. ... They were interested in having somebody take a look at them and provide feedback on how deaths from COVID were being characterized and that’s all I’ll say about that.” Piccolo said someone let Cabrera into the State Capitol so she could examine the records. He described what happened as a “leak”but denied being the source of the records and said he didn’t know who was responsible. “I walked in and she’s just looking at them in one of the rooms in the Capitol,” Piccolo said. “I had no idea what they were looking at. I just met her and left.” The next day, Piccolo told a Herald reporter that Cabrera was the source of the records, but couldn’t explain how she might have acquired records maintained by the state that the administration has refused to provide. He then agreed to provide the records to the Herald. The Florida Department of Health did not answer questions from the Herald, responding only to say it had “not provided death certificates to the Alachua Chronicle for their review.” Until the late summer, the records had been released to the public in summary form by the Florida Department of Law Enforcement, which collects death certificates from county medical examiner’s offices during states of emergency. But on Aug. 14 the Florida Medical Examiner’s Commission, swamped by coronavirus deaths and facing a massive backlog in reporting fatalities,votedto allow physicians to certify COVID-19 deaths and send them directly to the health department. Academics and public health experts have been trying to view them, but the Department of Health hasn’t made them available. Piccolo said the health department claims they are not a public record. That cut off the flow of information to the public — until Cabrera arrived at the Capitol. “To give [these records] to somebody who doesn’t have expertise, it’s puzzling and it isn’t consistent with trying to get to the truth of what’s going on,” Jha said. “It is stunning.” The Alachua Chronicle mixes local community news with posts casting doubt on the severity of the coronavirus pandemic. In addition to running the blog, Cabrera has worked for her family’s agricultural business since 1993. Though she is critical of media coverage about the virus, Cabrera agreed that the records should be public. “I think it was handled very poorly,” she said, “because I think everybody should have access to them.” On Friday, one of Cabrera’s fellow writers at another blog that pushes unscientific arguments questioning COVID-19 data, Rational Ground, announced on Twitter that he had been hired to work on data analysis for DeSantis, including on COVID-19 projects. Rational Ground offers content that includes arguments on why masks don’t prevent the spread of COVID. (Hint; This is the source including Tweets from its authors including Jennifer Cabrera and Kyle Lamb that Tsing Tao pushes all the time) Kyle Lamb’s Twitter bio says that he currently runs a sports podcast network dedicated to the Ohio State Buckeyes. ‘LET’S LOOK INTO THAT’ More than 17,000 Floridians are known to have died from COVID-19. Florida’s death rate per 100,000 people — 72 — ranks 11th-worst in the United States. That’s led to criticism of DeSantis, who seemed to have the virus under control in the spring before he began to ease restrictions in the state and cases spiked. Piccolo said that over the past month that the governor’s attention has turned to whether Florida’s death toll is inflated — something that, if true, might improve the public’s perception of how DeSantis handled the pandemic. “He said, ‘Let’s look into that,’” Piccolo Jr. said. “He obviously doesn’t want to be sensational about it.” But the question has been answered — and not by untrained bloggers like Cabrera. The CDC says that COVID-19 deaths, which stood at 235,000nationwide on Nov. 5, are likely being undercounted, not overcounted. From January through October there were nearly 300,000 more deaths in the United States than researchers would normally expect — meaning that tens of thousands of deaths may have been caused by COVID but not reported as such. The governor’s office has lifted virtually all coronavirus restrictions around the state over the past few weeks, calling them unnecessary even as cases are rising once more. The death certificates shown to Cabrera illustrate the cases of Floridians who died from COVID-19. The records, which have since been examined by the Herald, are heavily redacted, not revealing the date of death or county in which a person died. They do however include the age and the contributing causes of death. Earlier this month, the office of Jose Oliva, a South Florida Republican and speaker of the Florida House, produced a report analyzing nearly 14,000 of the records. Oliva’s report concluded that COVID-19 deaths had been overstated by as much as 10% because it appeared that some people suffering from COVID-19 died from other causes. (That’s the argument that Jha and other public health experts have dismissed as “crap.”) Piccolo, who served as Oliva’s spokesman before moving to the governor’s office, acknowledged that the speaker’s report was “not a smoking gun.” The second-guessing of the death toll by conservative media and political operatives has been frustrating for public health experts. Dr. Tom Frieden, former director of the CDC under President Barack Obama, agrees that deaths are in fact being undercounted and stressed that excess mortality, or the total number of deaths over the usual baseline was “way up” across the country. Florida has already suffered 116% of its “expected deaths” this year, according to the CDC, the 10th-worst rate in the country. “I’m kind of hoping that, as the election finishes, we can get onto the same page and recognize where we are with consistent data across the country so that people have information about what their risk is in their community,” he said. Miami Herald Tallahassee bureau chief Mary Ellen Klas and reporter Ana Ceballos contributed to this report.
OK, none of this has anything to do with the post I made from her tweet. You can attack her all you want. All I'm asking is this was the chart: she said the deaths as of date of death had no relationship to the deaths as reported. We know this to be true, because we've argued it before. You've admitted before there is no relationship between the day the death is reported and the day the person actually died. What is incorrect here? Put aside your character attacks on the individual. I don't care about the individual. I care about the tweet and chart. What was wrong? Secondly, you said I push her "all the time". Can you show me one other time I "pushed" her?
No, the above totally debunked a claim she made about overstating COVID deaths. I never mentioned anything about that nor do I support that claim. I only posted the one tweet showing how deaths reported are not telling the same story as deaths by date of death, as both you AND I have been saying all along. Did you find another post where I was "pushing" her? Because you said I like to "push her" all the time. I've got tens of thousands of posts. Surely there is another, like you claim, right? Or is that another lie??
Maybe it is time that you stop pushing data from questionable sources and twisting mainstream data to drive your warped no-lockdown political agenda which is dangerous to the public health of society. This should be coupled with an understanding that the ONLY way to get the economy back on track and have everything open is to have a low prevalence of COVID in your local community.
What data that I pushed is questionable? You can't seem to answer this despite me asking several times now. You keep attacking Cabrera, but as far as I know, I only ever posted one of her tweets, and there is nothing factually incorrect about her tweet. You're just using the "I can't argue your point so I'll try to discredit the person making the point" that most hyper-partisan folks use. Its very disingenuous. So I ask you again, what was wrong with the chart? Where else have I pushed Cabrera? you say I push her "all the time". Where else?
You would think that DeSantis would call up the Florida National Guard to help in the vaccine rollout.... following the lead of other states. But DeSantis already rejected doing this. Cooper mobilizes National Guard to boost vaccine rollout https://www.wral.com/coronavirus/cooper-mobilizes-national-guard-to-boost-vaccine-rollout/19458050/ Instead Florida is enduring this...
How many other states have mobilized the National Guard for vaccine rollout? Also, you said DeSantis refused to mobilize the national guard. But I thought he put together guard teams to help with nursing homes.