DeSantis for the win

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Tsing Tao, May 21, 2020.

  1. UsualName

    UsualName

    No. States with early spread in the first wave were defenseless at the time. This is evidenced from the high mortality rates through March. The early cases were not able to be treated as effectively as later cases. We learned treating Covid was very different than pneumonia. For example, after a couple of months physicians began to delay ventilations and relied more on patient positioning. This decreased lung saturation and in turn decreased mortality. We learned this from the deaths in NY. Now we are seeing dexamethasone further cut mortality by 30%.

    You trying to impose a later standard of care against the early standard of care is disingenuous. This is especially true because the lower mortality rate you tout is directly from what was learned in NY and NJ.

    We can see now that Covid is widespread, states have similar mortality rates based on spread. A major reason for that came from learning best practices early on.
     
    #2791     Jan 5, 2021
  2. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

  3. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

    I don't disagree with the learning of best practices (and worst practices). But Florida is ranked 22 in that tweet you said we can't use because of context. We can't use it because of all the reasons that make states worse than Florida, but we can count all the reasons that would make Florida's numbers worse.

    You can complain all you want about the numbers and why something should or should not be counted. I'm sure the people who died will appreciate you saying they shouldn't be counted in the totals.
     
    #2793     Jan 5, 2021
  4. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    Yes.... and are the problems as wide-spread as Florida's? Nowhere near. Cannot they not call their state or county health department and register.

    “Some users may experience a temporary delay as the system scales to meet demand,” said spokeswoman Donna Leusner.

    Seeing that most users of the N.J. portal are able to register successfully and only a few are experiencing a delay... it is a much better situation than Florida.

    Seeing that New Jersey is following CDC guidance and is only in Phase 1A (like most other states)... the elderly are not being vaccinated yet in New Jersey only health care workers.

    https://covid19.nj.gov/faqs/nj-info...distribute-a-covid-19-vaccine-is-there-a-plan

    Maybe your parents can drive down to Florida, donate money to DeSantis & GOP, then get the vaccine.
     
    #2794     Jan 5, 2021
  5. Cuddles

    Cuddles

    #2795     Jan 5, 2021
  6. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

  7. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

    "large scale" media DeSantis Derangement Syndrome (something you are totally afflicted with) is the only real problem.
     
    #2797     Jan 5, 2021
  8. UsualName

    UsualName

    So, I’m not knocking Florida. I’m correcting the context of information about mortality totals in states early in the pandemic. It’s an important distinction and using those numbers to compare to now does not tell a true story.

    You and GWB are welcome to fight over Florida until your fingers are nubs.

    I’ve been keeping an eye on Florida because DeSantis has had a strategy to focus on the elderly and nursing homes, and it’s interesting. I don’t see the economic benefits currently that DeSantis promised because it’s the virus that hurts the economy and that’s not under control.
     
    #2798     Jan 5, 2021
  9. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

    I understand you are not knocking Florida. Lets get past that.

    I'm still wondering how you can say the tweet can't be used because the data lacks context. You can add your context, but there are lots of reasons why the data is the way it is. Its not some X+Y=Z simplistic equation. Your reasons stated for concern on the list are valid, but so are 100 other reasons out there. Whether they are more or less important to consider is subjective, and your opinion or my opinion only.

    At the end of the day, the data is there. Take it for what you will. If you don't like it, show me different data and argue why we should use that.
     
    #2799     Jan 5, 2021
  10. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    Let's take a look at the source of most of the "data" you have been pushing in Tweets. It comes from COVID conspiracy bloggers and other nonsense sources.

    Here is one typical example of your sources...
    https://www.elitetrader.com/et/threads/desantis-for-the-win.345108/page-173#post-5224765

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    Let's take a look at the source of your first chart - It is Jennifer Cabrera on Twitter. A woman who constantly pushes anti-mask, COVID is a conspiracy nonsense on her social media accounts.

    Let's take look at the text of her latest tweet.

    I classify mask pushers into two camps:
    1. Misinformed and/or gullible
    2. Conniving liars abusing power to control other people

    Sadly, covidiocy metastasizes from (1) to (2)

    I don't know which is more insane her "free society from tyrannies using force and propaganda", her continual fake narrative and misrepresentation of numbers she pushes, her conspiracy nonsense, her "a vaccine is not needed" nonsense, her "people who say we shouldn’t have kids in-person in school are the flat earthers of our day" insanity, or her 5G crap.

    At least I know what you use for the source of your information now including your post of the video from the prom earlier today.

    Here is her posting of the chart.

     
    #2800     Jan 5, 2021