DeSantis for the win

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Tsing Tao, May 21, 2020.

  1. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

    And yet all those other steps they supposedly took that Florida supposedly did not haven't yielded them any good results.

    Charts right there, bro.
     
    #2161     Nov 5, 2020
  2. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    Well finally an arena where DeSantis may be able to declare a "win"...

    Florida Democrats taking 'long, hard look' after sweeping losses
    The across-the-board losses leave Democrats and their state party in shreds as they begin to gear up for mid-term elections in 2022.
    https://www.cltampa.com/news-views/...s-taking-long-hard-look-after-sweeping-losses

    Forget purple state. And don't even think about blue state.

    Florida Republicans dominated Tuesday's elections from the top of the ballot on down, leaving Democrats searching for answers after more than two decades of GOP control of the state.

    In a victory that by Sunshine State standards was a landslide, President Donald Trump defeated Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden by more than three percentage points in Florida, more than doubling the edge he held over Democrat Hillary Clinton four years ago.

    Republicans upset two incumbent South Florida congresswomen, flipped five state House seats and could pick up a seat in the state Senate, making a mockery of Democrats’ hopes to cut into the GOP’s legislative dominance.

    The across-the-board losses leave Democrats and their state party in shreds as they begin to gear up for mid-term elections in 2022, including a gubernatorial election.

    Even before Trump officially notched his win Tuesday night in Florida, some Democrats were calling for a state party shakeup.

    “I’m saying it now. We need a whole new direction for the @FlaDems,” state Rep. Anna Eskamani, D-Orlando, tweeted before 10 p.m. Tuesday. “We are losing too many incredible down ballot elected officials and candidates right now and it’s not ok. I know we have the potential to be better and do better. We do it everyday here in #HD47”

    Eskamani, a firebrand liberal who was first elected to the House in 2018, won her reelection bid in Orange County’s House District 47 by more than 18,000 votes.

    “I want to be in a place of celebrating those victories, but unfortunately the losses of the state of Florida is another reflection of just how broken our party is and how we continue to let consultants and corporations set our agenda,” she said during a Zoom call Wednesday morning.

    Eskamani said her re-election came with marginal support from the Florida Democratic Party, adding that her political committee contributed more than $35,000 to help other candidates.

    Eskamani, who is seen as a rising star in what’s known as the “back row” where Democrats sit in the Florida House chamber, said the state party needs a top-to-bottom makeover.

    Throughout the day Wednesday, pressure mounted for the ouster of Florida Democratic Party Chairwoman Terrie Rizzo and party executive director Juan Peñalosa.

    Rizzo issued a statement late Wednesday that thanked people who “gave their blood, sweat, and tears to help Democrats win.”

    “While we are confident in the ultimate victory of Joe Biden, I know our Florida losses sting deep, for our party, the candidates, and the 5 million Florida Democrats looking to build on the progress we have made,” the statement said. “Together with our state and national partners, we need to do a deep dive to address data and turnout issues that caused these losses, and where our party goes from here.“

    But Eskamani said the party should begin with new leaders.

    “Step one is complete new leadership. The challenge is, who wants to step up,” Eskamani said. “It is challenging, but step one is to tell your friends that they’ve got to step back, and it isn’t easy.”

    Other strategists, however, noted that candidates at the top of the ticket have more control than party officials over the hiring of consultants and messaging.

    Agriculture Commissioner Nikki Fried, Florida’s only statewide elected Democrat, acknowledged that Florida Democrats “suffered some hard losses” on election night.

    “Our party needs to take a long hard look at what went wrong in the election, and how we move forward,” she said in a prepared statement. “As leaders, we must do better, and we must all work together to mend our fractured political system.”

    Amid state Democrats’ post-election autopsy, political experts agree that Florida is now decidedly in the red state column.

    Part of Trump’s success rested in his support from Hispanic voters in the state’s most populous county --- Miami-Dade --- as well as those along the I-4 corridor between Tampa Bay and Orlando.

    Hillary Clinton held a nearly 300,000-vote edge in Miami-Dade over Trump in 2016, although she lost the state to the Republican. But Biden’s lead over Trump shriveled to just 84,000 votes.

    Trump began courting Cuban-Americans in Miami-Dade not long after his 2016 White House victory, frequently traveling to the region and feting community leaders at his Mar-A-Lago home, Florida International University political science professor Dario Moreno told The News Service of Florida on Wednesday.

    He kept up the effort throughout the past four years and intensified the outreach to South Florida Hispanics --- including emigres from Venezuela and Colombia --- by painting Biden and Democratic vice-presidential candidate Kamala Harris as “socialists.”

    Biden made a series of missteps that alienated South Florida Hispanics, Moreno said, such as considering California Congresswoman Karen Bass as a running mate. Bass created a furor when she called Fidel Castro’s death “a great loss,” Moreno said.

    About 83 percent of Miami-Dade Republicans voted in the presidential election, compared to just 68 percent of Democrats, Moreno said.

    “This was the mobilization that the Trump campaign did. And Biden did not have a ground campaign in Dade County.

    They did not have people canvassing because of the pandemic,” the FIU professor said.

    Trump’s messaging about the economy and job creation also resonated with Hispanics, including Puerto Ricans who had been targeted by Biden, according to Moreno.

    “Trump is a jerk, but he’s extremely politically cunning. I think this thing about firing (infectious disease expert Anthony) Fauci wasn’t misspoken. It was a signal to a lot of people that he was not going to lock down,” he said, referring to comments Trump made during an Opa-locka rally early Monday morning. “I think all those things combine.”

    Republican Party of Florida Chairman Joe Gruters, who also serves as a state senator from Sarasota, credited the GOP’s turnout machine, fundraising efforts by Gov. Ron DeSantis and legislative leaders and the president himself for Tuesday’s red wave in Florida.

    “We won because of our ground game and the fact that we ran circles around the Democrats. We had a well-oiled machine. We were literally pounding the pavement every day,” Gruters said in a phone interview Wednesday.

    Democratic consultant Steve Vancore agreed that Republicans did a much better job than his party at getting voters to cast ballots, a frequent problem for Democrats.

    “As long as the Democratic Party is structured the way it is in Florida, you cannot expect change,” he said. “You need to tear it down and rebuild it.”

    While both parties seemed flush with cash during the 2020 election cycle, at least at the top of the ticket, Republicans spent their money “on the ground, doing the really hard work,” Vancore told the News Service.

    “The Democrats almost bragged about not going door to door, saying, ‘We’re not going to do that, COVID, blah blah blah blah blah,’ and it came to bear on Election Day,” he said.

    Democrats’ losses might be hardest felt in the state Senate, where they had hoped to pick up two open seats to chip away at the GOP’s 23-17 advantage.

    Instead, Democrats failed to capture either race and could be facing the loss of an incumbent. Sen. Jose Javier Rodriguez, D-Miami, trailed Republican Ileana Garcia by 21 votes as ballots continued to be counted Wednesday afternoon.

    Republicans also ousted U.S. House members Donna Shalala and Debbie Mucarsel-Powell in South Florida.

    “These are races that we should have had a good shot of winning, and we didn’t,” Eskamani said.
     
    #2162     Nov 5, 2020
  3. SunTrader

    SunTrader

    Florida new cases - 7 day average 4385.29:-
    FL new cases.png
    New York new cases - 7 day average 2163.00 (or less than half FL with about same population. Which is how to do a comparison correctly):-
    NY new cases.png
     
    #2163     Nov 5, 2020
  4. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

    Your effort to provide balanced commentary is both refreshing and appealing. While I would agree that the reasons for this are many, I cannot argue that it is also a vote on confidence regarding COVID in the state of Florida. These voters aren't looking for data anomalies or missing reports like you are, they only care about how their lives are effected. This means if they get sick or someone they know dies from COVID they are likely to take a negative view of Florida's response.

    However, the vast number of people who are back to work and have seen their life return to normal (somewhat) are likely to view the state, the current administration and its policies in a positive light. This is just basic psychology.

    And that was the crux of my argument earlier on the topic.
     
    #2164     Nov 5, 2020
  5. Buy1Sell2

    Buy1Sell2

    #2165     Nov 5, 2020
  6. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    And my position all along has been --- a governor (at least currently) can enact policy related to COVID in their states related to restrictions and mandates. The people can support or not support the public health initiatives of the governor.

    However it is NOT acceptable for a government administration to hide, manipulate and be less than transparent with public health data in the midst of a global pandemic in order to drive a political agenda of an elected executive official.

    The very foundation of public trust in government is built on that our government entities are being transparent and truthful with health data. Erosion of this trust causes significant issues. At minimum the population should be fully and properly informed about the situation.

    If the governor's administration is being transparent with the data and decides to pursue a policy of complete re-opening after balancing the various risks of public health versus economy, etc.--- well that is their business (until it starts impacting the health of others outside their state). At least the people are forewarned in this situation if the public health data shows significant COVID issues.

    Of course, the next debate is if a governor should be held personally and legally responsible for sickness and deaths if their COVID policies greatly deviate from the recommendations of national health authorities in the midst of a global pandemic.
     
    #2166     Nov 5, 2020
  7. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

    I am very much aware of what your position is. I think, at this point, even DeSantis is aware at this point what your position is.
     
    #2167     Nov 5, 2020
  8. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    #2168     Nov 5, 2020
  9. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

    You're a yambag. "Old white men are dying" (because of natural age, not COVID) so Republicans need to start to court other demographics of voters. The word COVID isn't even on the webpage or in the article.

    I get that you're rushing to spam every article you can that meets whatever ridiculous criteria you've set up, but you really should read the article for context if you don't want to constantly be called out to look like such a colossal dope.
     
    #2169     Nov 5, 2020
  10. SunTrader

    SunTrader

    umm something like 80+% of Covid victims are .... old. And since there were, as well, in nursing facilities good chance they are also .... old white men or women.
     
    #2170     Nov 5, 2020