Long haulers has been in the news here ( print, national news ) over many months with numerous real people who are still struggling with Covid related impacts. Some of these people had no health issues prior to getting Covid.
The other part is individuals in this forum pushing that the long term effects of COVID are not worse than the long term effects of the flu -- then demanding "empirical data" proving COVID has worse long term effects. The flu primarily only causes respiratory issues during onset. COVID causes respiratory, vascular and organ issues during onset -- to any rational thinker (and from the medical evidence) the long term effects of a disease that involves additional involves vascular and organ issues from the onset will be worse than one merely with respiratory symptoms. There are certainly more documented examples of COVID long haulers over the past six months than people who endured long term effects from the H7N9 flu and other variants over the past decade -- based on the numerous COVID long hauler articles. The reason the medical community does not do studies comparing the long term effects of the seasonal flu and COVID --- is the same reason they don't do studies comparing the long term effects of syphilis and COVID -- the results are meaningless when you compare two items that are very unalike.
While the virus may be transmitted airborne, it attacks the endothelium, end result thrombosis. Obviously entering the nasal passages and lungs they are normally the first to receive damage. Presenting itself as the ground glass opacities. Other weird symptoms include discoloration of feet and hands, various organ problems. Once the virus is in the bloodstream it will center around the weakest parts of the body, co-morbidities. Tis’ why it’s very hard on older/people with health problems. Yes, people who suffer from moderate to severe cases can have lasting symptoms. Not so much from the virus itself but the damage it does to the cardiovascular system. Hence the need to strengthen one’s innate immune system to combat the virus when contacted. And to aggressively/early treat those infected before the virus establishes itself, not after the patient is in ICU.
That being said, it’s why children seem to be more immune to the virus, on average their immune systems are less compromised than adults, on average have less health problems. Healthy Adults, specially younger adults, teenagers and children, really have very little to be afraid. Smokers, vapers, drug users, people who’s lifestyles run the risk of compromising their immune systems......they might need to be more cautious.
Hahaha empirical studies on a virus that has been on the planet for less than a full year. What a clown. Also never knew we (ET) had so many medical experts among us.
Let's see how things are going in the Tampa schools... Coronavirus in Tampa Bay schools: a weekly update Weekly counts continue to rise gradually, with nearly 1,300 cases a quarter into the school year https://www.tampabay.com/news/education/2020/10/24/coronavirus-in-tampa-bay-schools-a-weekly-update/
Article after article after article about the DeSantis administration hiding COVID information from the public... Florida hid COVID information from the public Public shouldn’t have to fight to get COVID-19 information https://www.orlandosentinel.com/opi...0201026-nmtqxvlpyvfmpcnwaaixpu4ewu-story.html Newspapers should not have to involve attorneys to get their hands on basic public health information. But sure enough, that’s what the Orlando Sentinel was forced to do to get a copy of a weekly status report the White House Coronavirus Task Force sends to each of the state’s governors. Gov. Ron DeSantis' office should have been posting these reports every single week for the whole state to see. Instead, it’s been keeping them secret. When a Sentinel reporter found out about their existence, the DeSantis administration switched from secrecy to obstruction. Bureaucrats told reporter Naseem Miller that the document would have to get in line behind other public records requests and then undergo a legal review. All this for a document the state has been getting every week since early summer. They knew full well there wasn’t anything in it that needed redacting. There isn’t any private information in the report. Nothing even close to one of Florida’s gazillion public records exemptions. Just data. Never mind that. The state was determined to withhold the report even as infections are starting to spike here and around the country. This should come as a surprise to no one, journalists or everyday Floridians alike. The DeSantis administration has set new standards for obstructing the release of public information, and that’s saying something considering he succeeded Rick Scott. Neither of the last two governors has shown any interest in curtailing the Legislature’s annual effort to further reduce the public’s access to public information, allowing Florida’s once-proud tradition of open government to continue its slow but steady decline. The Sentinel ultimately got the state coronavirus report, but only after a newspaper attorney sent an email reminding state officials about the importance of releasing public health information during a pandemic, something the state surely knew already. By then, the Oct. 11 report was 10 days old. The delay was either due to the inability (or unwillingness) of bureaucrats to triage the urgency and relevance of public records requests, or to the state’s desire to keep information in the report hidden. The report, covering the week of Oct. 5, was a combination of good news and alarming news. The good news at the time was that the overall number of new cases and positive cases were fairly stable for the week. The alarming news was that 13% of the state’s nursing homes had a patient contract COVID-19 while 24% of nursing homes had an employee get the disease. It also warned of increasing cases at The Villages, a mega-retirement area where President Trump held a tightly packed rally on Oct. 23, with DeSantis in attendance. The report encouraged outdoor gatherings but recommended social distancing and mask wearing, little of which was apparent at The Villages rally or at any of the other rallies Trump and DeSantis have attended in Florida since the report was issued. That includes one in Sanford on Oct. 12, where the governor foolishly decided to high-five the audience on his way to the stage. Judging from his own actions, the governor is either not reading the task force’s reports or he’s choosing to ignore them because he views elections and more important than public health. Or possibly both. DeSantis can do what he wants with the information. What his administration can’t do is hide it from everyone else.
Precisely my point, Einstein. So if you can't produce empirical studies on something that hasn't been around for more than a year, how can you make claims about long term effects of the virus?
I am not debating that people have health issues that persist after defeating COVID. I am questioning that it is any worse than pneumonia or the flu or other coronavirus.
Which one of these compares the "long lasting effects" of COVID 19 to the rate of long lasting effects from every day pneumonia or the flu or other coronaviruses? I'll be happy to read an empirical study that does. But if all you're going to do is spam a bunch of articles that point to lingering effects of COVID, that's not telling me anything I don't already know.