I have returned from a stay of over a week in Florida. I ate at, and drank at, numerous bars and restaurants and wore no mask at any. I have not gotten sick yet, or am not aware of it if I have.
You posted this exact same silly chart last Thursday. I gotta ask, don't you get tired of looking like such a fool around here? Thursday chart: Today's chart: Thursday's post said "Projections show Florida beginning another surge of daily coronavirus deaths" Here is the worldometers cases as reported: Does it show a rise? Yes, it does. Does this mean the end of the world is coming? I sincerely doubt it. Meanwhile, North Carolina is actually up to the levels we're at now! And in lockdown paradise New Jersey: Upswing. Pennsylvania going insane. DeSantis's doing? Ohio: Also on DeSantis Wisconsin - HOLY SHIT. DeSantis must have a winter home here: and Michigan, maybe the birthplace of DeSantis? Washington State - Son of DeSantis. Ooops. Too many images in one post. I could do this all day. The country is FULL of states with spiking COVID numbers, but somehow Florida is a problem with its numbers. You are, and continue to be, a fucking joke around here, GWB.
Only Florida has a governor whose administration is deliberately hiding and manipulating COVID data in order to drive a political agenda while down-playing the virus. At this point as reported by multiple Florida media outlets over the weekend-- the COVID death data reported by Florida is both delayed and under-reported -- and can no longer be trusted. At least the executive administrations other states like Ohio are serious about addressing COVID and work to make the pubic aware that it is a significant issue rather than downplaying it.
Your claim - which is all it is and I don't care to rehash this stupidity again for the 50th time - of fraud has no effect on the above charts I just showed. None. At all. Whatsoever.
Can you explain why Florida has the lowest testing rate per capita in the country.... not very useful in getting an accurate count of cases. Of course reducing testing to the lowest level in the country means reducing the number of cases reported. Let's take a look at the testing information... Ron DeSantis has a solution to bad COVID-19 numbers in Florida: He's going to hide the numbers https://www.dailykos.com/stories/20...ers-in-Florida-He-s-going-to-hide-the-numbers On Thursday, Florida reported over 5,500 new cases of COVID-19—and the day isn’t over yet. The number is higher than anything the state has posted since the first half of August, but it reflects a fresh surge that’s keeping the state at an average of around 100 deaths per day and steadily moving it up the Worst States charts. In the next two days, Florida will likely pass New Jersey to take over the No. 4 slot in total deaths. It’s already reached the No. 3 spot in total cases. And it’s by far the largest state when it comes to the top 10 in cases per population. What’s a Donald Trump-loving, science-hating Republican governor to do? Well, Ron DeSantis has already been trying to follow Trump’s advice to do less testing. Florida is currently testing at the lowest rate of any state, with just one test per 1,000 residents. With cases skyrocketing despite the lowest rate of testing in the nation, DeSantis has only one choice: He has to get sensible, order a statewide mask mandate, cut down mass gatherings, and place restrictions on bars and restaurants. Except DeSantis isn’t going to do any of that. Because he’s come up with an alternative: He’s going to stop reporting the numbers. (More at above url) Let's re-post to make sure you are aware of the problem with death accounting... "DeSantis for the win" - Florida death counts both greatly delayed and greatly under-counted. How many Floridians really have died from COVID-19? https://www.sun-sentinel.com/corona...0201024-jb2qc2plcvedzi6hg2e4rq2bke-story.html Are Floridians getting an accurate picture of who is dying from COVID-19 and when? Not likely. Florida in August changed its rules for determining whether someone died of COVID-19, moving that responsibility from public medical examiners to the doctors who treated the patients.The change was meant to relieve medical examiners who were swamped with COVID deaths, but it also created inconsistencies in how COVID deaths are documented and raised new questions about the accuracy and timeliness of the state’s COVID-19 death counts. Florida Surgeon General Scott Rivkees this week ordered an investigation into delayed reporting of COVID deaths, noting that some are now being reported two months late. A spokesman for Gov. Ron DeSantis questioned how a death could be caused by COVID months after a positive test result. At the same time, health experts say it is more likely that Florida’s COVID deaths, now at more than 16,500, are understated. Jill Fisch is convinced her 78-year-old mother, Marjorie Levy, died from the virus in her Palm Beach County nursing home. But the doctor listed “natural causes” as the cause of death on the death certificate. Fisch said her mother tested positive for the virus on Sept. 29 and died on Oct. 9. “There is no way it wasn’t COVID-related,” she said. Isaiah Clark, owner of Bell & Clark Funeral Home in Riviera Beach, said several times he has been told a deceased person is COVID-positive when he arrives to pick them up at a hospital, only to find no mention of the virus on the death certificate. “It has become a mess whether they want to admit it or not.” The true cause of death The shift from the medical examiner to the treating physician as the person who signs off on the death certificate has created inconsistency and questions about whether COVID-19 deaths may be going unreported. Dr. Stephen Nelson, chairman of Florida’s Medical Examiner Commission, said medical examiners are better skilled than doctors at uncovering the true cause of death. “That is what our experience and training is all about.” Two days ago, Florida’s health officials ordered an investigation of all pandemic fatalities. Health officials said of the 95 fatalities reported to the state Tuesday, 16 had more than a two-month separation between the time the individuals tested positive and passed away, and 11 of the deaths occurred more than a month ago. When the lag was at its worst, on Oct. 7, 86 people - or more than half of all COVID-19 deaths reported that day - were more than two months old. These delays raise red flags that have to be examined, according to Florida Surgeon General Rivkees. Numbers under review “During a pandemic, the public must be able to rely on accurate public health data to make informed decisions,” Rivkees said in a statement. "To ensure the accuracy of COVID-19 related deaths, the Department will be performing additional reviews of all deaths. Timely and accurate data remains a top priority of the Department of Health.” In a statement to the Sun Sentinel, the Florida Department of Health said the vast majority of deaths associated with COVID-19 in Florida are reported by the Department within two weeks -- but said there are various challenges in making that happen. Health officials did not respond to a request for a timeframe when the review of all coronavirus fatalities will be completed and the reporting problems will be fixed. Dr. Nelson of Florida’s Medical Examiner Commission said the August backlog at county medical examiners has been cleared, the state’s certification process for physicians to input cause of death is electronic and there should be no lag in Florida’s data collection of COVID-19 deaths. Florida requires doctors to fill out the cause of death within 72 hours after receiving the death certificate from the funeral director. “I can’t think of any reason for a delay unless the state is not treating death certificates with a high priority,” said Dr. Nelson, who also is chief medical examiner for Polk, Highlands and Hardee counties. Death statistics play a key role in understanding the current spread and lethal nature of the coronavirus. Florida government officials also monitor the number of new COVID cases and deaths to make decisions on re-opening safely. Palm Beach is one of the counties most affected by the chaos in reported coronavirus deaths. Palm Beach County had 50 of the COVID-19 deaths in the latest report, which shattered the previous one-day record of 27 deaths reported Aug. 7. Of those, 23 were deaths from September, including an 85-year-old Palm Beach County woman who died Sept. 27 — 3½ months after she was diagnosed with COVID-19. Palm Beach health spokesperson Alexander Shaw said “Florida Department of Health in Palm Beach County staff quickly recognized this issue and took immediate steps to prevent its repetition.” Doctors decide who died of COVID-19 The rule change may also have created inconsistency and misclassification of coronavirus deaths at a time when the data has become politicized. Only a week ago, House Speaker Jose Oliva slammed the death data from medical examiners as “often lacking in rigor” and undermining "the completeness and reliability of the death records.” House Democrats then blasted the House Republicans' report as an insult to coronavirus victims and an attempt “to downplay the death toll.” What one doctor may call a COVID death, another may classify as something else. Dr. Nelson said long hospital stays may be behind some of the overlooked coronavirus deaths. “Because coronavirus patients are living longer, physicians lose track of the fact that what got the patient in the hospital and started the ball rolling was a Covid infection,” Dr. Nelson said. “They are saying the elderly person died from pneumonia or diabetes. Jay Wolfson, a professor of public health and health law at the University of South Florida in Tampa, said inconsistency has now become inevitable. "We have learned that the coding and reporting isn’t uniform not only between counties but between individual hospitals.” Jason Salemi, an associate professor of epidemiology at the University of South Florida’s College of Public Health, says the state is likely undercounting COVID deaths, and cites a report released Tuesday by the CDC which found that a total of 300,000 more deaths than normal had occurred in the United States since the outbreak. The report raises the likelihood that the reported 223,000 deaths nationwide from the virus is likely an undercount. Salemi says the same dynamic almost certainly applies to Florida. “It’s just unclear to the degree," he said. "Is it 5%, 10% more deaths?”
Could be 5% less deaths, too. If Doctors decide who died from COVID, and doctors and hospitals were financially incented on the amount of COVID patients, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand that this would lead to more, not less, deaths than should be counted. How much tin foil are you wearing now a days? Regardless, it still doesn't change all of the charts I showed that detail many, many states with COVID problems much worse than Florida right now.
Florida is the state in the U.S. with the greatest percentage of residents who are 65 and older (tied with Maine). You would think that the government administration of Florida would be very concerned with the spread of COVID in view of this elderly population. Furthermore you would think that Florida would be on top of properly reporting COVID death and case statistics if they were concerned with the health of this vulnerable group. People who think that hospitals will over-report COVID deaths due "financial incentives" are the ones wearing tin foil hats.
Not sure what this has to do with the charts I posted, but if you're going with the strategy of obfuscation, I guess you have to go full tilt. Sure, buddy. When hospitals receive more money any time a death is associated with COVID, this would - in your world - naturally mean they wouldn't want to associated those deaths with COVID. Or something. I wasn't aware you were high during the day.
Apparently Florida has a lot of residents like Tsing Tao that don't care, which is their collective right. However, I look at the idiot Buy1Sell2 using Florida as his own personal playground without precautions ( with Tsing Tao liking it ) and it's not hard to figure out where this may go if a vaccine doesn't arrive far quicker then expected. Very likely we'll see some negative outcomes in Florida right about the time other areas flatten the second wave. Maybe they'll defy the odds get lucky, or maybe the delayed reporting will create the illusion of no second wave in action. My conclusion is they made their choices, if it gets bad it is what it is.
Let's take a look at what this "DeSantis for the win" thread is all about... to remind you of the proper context. Is it acceptable for a government administration to hide, manipulate and be less than transparent with public health data in the midst of a global pandemic in order to drive a political agenda of an elected executive official. Either you believe: A) The very foundational basis of public trust is built on transparent health data -- and hiding, manipulating or being less than transparent with data is fundamentally unacceptable. -- or -- B) It is perfectly acceptable for a governor's administration to be less than transparent with data to drive his political agenda. I obviously believe in A) while you believe in B)