DeSantis for the win

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Tsing Tao, May 21, 2020.

  1. Buy1Sell2

    Buy1Sell2

    I suspect that this is likely who he is referring to as "The Florida Department of Health"--
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    #1821     Oct 15, 2020
  2. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

    Who knows what he was referring to. He makes up so much shit on the fly, I can never be sure.
     
    #1822     Oct 15, 2020
  3. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    Let's see how nursing homes are doing in Florida. After all DeSantis was so critical of the nursing homes in New York.
    "Gov. Ron DeSantis’ office did not comment on the AARP information."

    AARP Points To Higher Nursing Home COVID Death Rate In Florida
    https://miami.cbslocal.com/2020/10/14/aarp-points-higher-nursing-home-death-rate-florida/

    A national COVID “dashboard” released Wednesday by AARP shows that the death rate of Florida nursing-home residents over a recent four-week period exceeded the national average.

    The AARP online site, which looks at nursing-home data for four weeks ending Sept. 20, shows that 1.38 of every 200 nursing home residents in Florida died from COVID-19. Nationally, about one out of every 200 nursing home residents died from COVID-19.

    Also, the rate of infected nursing-home residents in Florida was 4.5 percent, compared to 2.6 percent nationally. Moreover, the rate of infected staff members in Florida nursing homes was 3.9 per 100 residents, exceeding the national average of 2.5 per 100 residents.

    AARP Florida spokesman Dave Bruns said Florida is the “grayest” state in the nation. One in five residents is age 65 or older, or 20.4 percent of the population, compared to 13.4 percent nationally.

    “If there is any place that should be focusing on this, it should be the Sunshine State.” Bruns told The News Service of Florida.

    The AARP dashboard has national and state information and is based on data the nursing home industry reported to the federal Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services for the four-week period between Aug. 24 and Sept. 20. That period included a Sept. 1 move by Florida to allow visitation to resume at nursing homes, after months of the facilities being locked down to prevent the spread of COVID-19.

    The information compiled by AARP underscores continued work that needs to be done, Bruns said. Among other things, AARP Florida has said regular, rapid-result testing of staff members, residents, visitors and vendors should be mandatory at all elder-care facilities to prevent the spread of the virus.

    “People are picking this virus up in restaurants, in bars, in social settings, at sporting events and other places. Then, the fear is that they will carry it into these facilities,” Bruns said. “Once it gets into these facilities, it is not uncommon for a quarter, sometimes even as much as half, of the people who are infected to die.”

    Gov. Ron DeSantis’ office did not comment on the AARP information. But DeSantis has touted the state’s efforts to keep residents safe at Florida’s 694 nursing homes.

    The administration, though, in the last month has reversed policies such as mandatory testing of all long-term care staff members and the use of specific facilities that cared for and isolated nursing-home residents with COVID-19.

    The DeSantis administration also lifted the ban on visitors at long-term care facilities last month. While he acknowledged the move would increase COVID-19 cases, DeSantis said the need for visitation could no longer be ignored.

    As of Wednesday, 6,136 long-term care residents were positive for COVID-19, according to state data. That figure includes residents of nursing homes, assisted living facilities and intermediate care facilities for people with developmental disabilities. Also, more than 6,300 residents and staff members of long-term care facilities have died from COVID-19. The overwhelming majority of those deaths involved residents, data show.

    The AARP dashboard shows that Florida had a higher percentage of nursing homes with active cases of COVID-19 positive residents, 47 percent, than the national rate of 24 percent. And nearly 72 percent of Florida nursing homes reported staff infections from COVID-19, compared to about 48 percent nationwide.

    In a statement to the News Service, Florida Health Care Association spokeswoman Kristen Knapp said, “More can always be done to improve our state’s long term services and supports system for our seniors and individuals with disabilities.”

    Knapp said the association, which represents nursing homes throughout the state, looks forward to working with AARP, among others, on “continued support to ensure the safety, care and well-being of our nursing home residents, their families and caregivers.”

    Knapp also said that “99 percent of nursing home residents are COVID free and 98 percent of staff are COVID free.” She said that is based on state Department of Health information that excludes from consideration the numbers of positive nursing-home residents transferred out of facilities

    In addition to increased testing to curb the spread of the virus, AARP has advocated for greater transparency of the public reporting of cases and deaths in facilities and called for increased accountability of how nursing homes spend state and federal Medicaid and Medicare dollars and CARES Act stimulus funding.

    The AARP information showed that Florida nursing homes fared better than the national average when it came to personal protective equipment. Nationally, 28 percent of nursing homes reported having less than a week’s worth of so-called PPE on hand during the four-week period. In Florida, 20 percent of the facilities reported having less than a week’s worth of protective gear.
     
    #1823     Oct 15, 2020
  4. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao



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    From the author (above):

    blue states saw a significantly higher rise in unemployment (555 basis points) vs red states (260 basis points) (vs feb column) current unemployment is 287bp higher in blue states than red. and the ratio of current unemployment to pre lockdown is 2.73 vs 1.76. (aug rate/feb)

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    we can normalize this to the feb rate for all states for comparison. the red states saw less rise and are nearer to recovery. the purple states actually fared worst early on, but those with red governors are recovering faster. no lockdown has vastly outperformed.
     
    #1824     Oct 15, 2020
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  5. jem

    jem

    Data?
    Why should we expect a lockdown con artists on this site or the media or in govt... to make or support policy based on data and real science?

    Locking down the low risk is good... because they say so, regardless of the data or the harm or even the overall cost benefit.

    Excellent post by the way...


     
    #1825     Oct 15, 2020
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  6. jem

    jem

    wow was that a bunch of covid doomer bullshit... double speak... yo posted...

    look at the main point here...
    ..

    "The only time we believe a lockdown is justified is to buy you time to reorganize, regroup, rebalance your resources, protect your health workers who are exhausted, but by and large, we’d rather not do it.”

    Exactly what we have been saying to you stupid lockdown... five points of post lockdown bullshit morons.

    There is only one point. Hospital resources...






     
    #1826     Oct 15, 2020
  7. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    "DeSantis for the win"

    Florida puts a positive spin on COVID-19 data, misleading the public on pandemic
    https://www.sun-sentinel.com/corona...0201014-tfho3kvw7jaabmlv2d7gwndgii-story.html

    Florida has obscured the true extent of its COVID-19 pandemic by using a misleading measure of positive cases to justify reopening schools and businesses, state data indicates.

    While Florida has publicized that its “positivity rate” has regularly fallen below 5%, other health organizations are publishing data that shows the rate may be dramatically higher.


    Independent experts, including Johns Hopkins University, consistently list Florida’s positivity rate at 10% or higher, twice the recommended level for widespread reopening.

    Florida itself calculates another version of the rate — not widely publicized — that shows the pandemic is worse than state officials have championed. Those figures show that the rate has never fallen to the 5% threshold, the South Florida Sun Sentinel discovered.

    RELATED: Florida’s hidden data skews COVID-19 test results »

    The result: As coronavirus cases again threaten to rise in Florida, with schools and businesses fully open, it is becoming increasingly difficult to answer a simple question: What percentage of people tested positive for COVID-19 on any given day — and are we justified in going about our business without worry? Or did Gov. Ron DeSantis put people at risk when he allowed businesses to return to normal?

    “Doing what we’re doing now, I think positivity numbers are just about useless, because it’s completely opaque who is getting tested and why,” said Thomas Hladish, a scientist at the University of Florida’s Emerging Pathogens Institute who has done pandemic modeling for the Florida Department of Health.

    “It absolutely does lull people into a false sense of security,”said Rebekah Jones, a former Florida coronavirus data scientist who was fired in early May for alleged insubordination, after claiming the state had encouraged her to fudge statistics. Jones now publishes her own coronavirus statistics.

    Measuring the pandemic
    In simple terms, “positivity” measures the percentage of coronavirus tests that come back positive. It traditionally has been considered one of the best ways to determine how much the coronavirus has spread through the community.

    Data scientists acknowledge that the rate can be determined in at least three different ways, all of which they say are justified. But in two of the three cases, Florida’s positivity rate would not meet the common standard for reopening society: below 5% for 14 consecutive days.

    Three ways to measure Florida's COVID-19 positivity

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    Method 1: The rate published by Johns Hopkins University measures how many people tested positive on a given day out of all people tested in the state for the first time. By that measure, the state’s positivity rate has not trended below 10% since the middle of June — twice as high as the state claims.

    On Tuesday, Johns Hopkins listed the rate at 11.7%, while Florida was reporting 4.99%.

    Method 2: The number of positive tests is compared with the total number of tests on one day. This is the measure recommended by the World Health Organization. The organization says this rate should be below 5% before reopening.

    The Florida Department of Health publishes the rate in daily reports posted on the Department of Emergency Management’s website, separate from the Department of Health dashboard that the public commonly monitors. The rate is publicized for the entire state, but it also is available at the county level in the Department of Health’s report archive.

    The last time that rate fell below 5% for 14 days was four months ago, according to data from the Florida Department of Health. Over the past two weeks, it has averaged 5.87%.

    Method 3: This calculation is similar, but it excludes anyone who has tested positive in the past, even though people with previous negative tests are still included. That makes the method problematic, some experts say, because the number of people retested on a daily basis can be large, thus skewing the rate downward.

    Nevertheless, this is the figure that Florida publicizes each day and publishes on a county-by-county level. It’s the one DeSantis continually touts in arguing that it’s safe to reopen schools, restaurants, theme parks, museums and stadiums. The rate has remained below 5% since the second week of September, according to Department of Health data.

    The three rates have broadly tracked each other for the duration of the pandemic, rising and falling at similar times. But the state’s preferred rate is consistently lower than the others and far below the rate identified by Johns Hopkins.

    Jason Salemi, an associate professor at the University of South Florida’s College of Public Health, said Florida’s preferred positivity rate is “more controversial. You tend to not see it in a lot of other places.”

    Other large states do not publish as much raw coronavirus data as Florida, but they appear to present their positivity rates in simpler terms.

    New York, for example, publishes a chart showing the percentage of people testing positive, based on the more widely accepted method recommended by the World Health Organization. California shows a 14-day average of positivity and appears to use a similar method.

    Salemi said he still finds Florida’s preferred rate useful to determine “what happened today among people who never tested positive before.” But some experts find the statistic faulty because it appears to compare two fundamentally different variables: people who tested positive versus tests that were negative.

    “That is not a real percentage, because you’re using non-identical variables,” said Jones. “It’s like dividing ice cream cones by shark attacks.”

    Representatives from the governor’s office, the Department of Health and the Florida Department of Emergency Management declined to explain the reason for their continued use of a possibly misleading statistic, saying simply that it was the “best” measure.

    Alberto Moscoso, spokesman for the Florida Department of Health, said in July that the state counts multiple negative tests for the same person because “a negative test only reflects the individual’s status at the moment the specimen was collected.”

    “Since a person who tested negative previously remains susceptible to the virus, the subsequent test is still included in the denominator of the positivity rate calculation,” he said.

    Unreliable results
    Some experts are beginning to question whether positivity rates are even a useful measure.

    The rate can tell you about the spread of the virus, but only under certain ideal conditions, experts say. Levels of testing must remain constant; the criteria for who gets tested must be relatively random; and you can’t mix different kinds of tests, as Florida does.

    The state combines PCR tests, or molecular testing that is considered more reliable, with antigen testing, the rapid-results tests that are less accurate.

    Positivity is useful to measure whether the state is doing enough testing, but not so much for measuring spread, said Jennifer Nuzzo, lead epidemiologist for Johns Hopkins' COVID testing initiative.

    “It’s often talked about as a measure of how many infections are out there, but you could have a very different number depending on how much testing you are doing,” she said.

    Florida’s daily testing numbers have come down sharply from their July peak, when the state was testing between 90,000 to 100,000 people a day. Currently, the state tests between 40,000 to 70,000 people a day.

    Days with a lot of testing tend to have lower positivity rates, and days with fewer tests tend to see spikes.

    Hladish, the scientist at UF, advocates for randomized testing of individuals in order to figure out a true positivity rate.

    “Randomly administer tests to 1,000 people a week, and you report that percentage every week,” he suggested. “It doesn’t matter whether they tested positive before or not, but you’ll have a representative idea of how prevalent the infection is in the population.”

    Alexis Madrigal, deputy editor at The Atlantic, and a co-founder of the COVID Tracking Project, notes that wider use of antigen testing, which is becoming more available, will further disrupt the reliability of the measure. Recently, Florida has said it is deploying millions of rapid tests as it opens schools, and antigen tests have been widely used by professional and college sports teams.

    “Antigen tests are going to just fry this whole thing. And no one is really sure what to do about that yet,” Madrigal said.

    “The metrics that we’ve come to rely on like test positivity are in for a substantial weirding if antigen testing rolls out in a major way without a workable plan for getting that data back to state health departments.”

    All of this might leave the public confused about what numbers are most important. Which should you watch to judge whether Florida’s coronavirus outbreak is starting to spiral out of control?

    All of them, Nuzzo says.

    “Something to realize is that whatever the metric is, there probably won’t be a magic number," she said. "I tend to pay attention to the trends in the numbers, more so than the numbers themselves.”

    Where to find the data
    Here’s where you can get data about the pandemic.
     
    #1827     Oct 15, 2020
  8. Buy1Sell2

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    #1828     Oct 16, 2020
  9. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    It is fundamentally wrong when a political administration deliberately and knowingly pushes scientifically incorrect data to drive a political agenda. This is yet another example of this behavior by the DeSantis administration. In the face of a global pandemic - our worst public health crisis in over 100 years - it is disturbing to see this lack of transparency with data by a government entity.

    The very foundation of trust in our government is built on that the information & statistics released by the government are factual and correct. Politicians may propose solutions to resolve the issues shown by the data -- which people may agree or disagree with --- but the very foundation of "trust in government" is built on accurate, transparent data supported by math and science.

    I can only surmise that you approve of government agencies fabricating data they release to the public so politicians can drive their political agenda -- free from those pesky facts.
     
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    #1829     Oct 16, 2020
  10. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    Now the DeSantis administration does not even want to release daily COVID reports anymore. ... it would make Florida the only state in the union not to do so.

    Florida May Scale Back Daily COVID-19 Reports
    https://www.baynews9.com/fl/tampa/news/2020/10/16/florida-may-scale-back-its-covid-19-daily-reports

    We’ve been keeping daily track of the COVID-19 numbers put out by the state.

    But the Governor’s Office now says with Florida in Phase 3 of the reopening, it’s considering scaling back the frequency of its reporting

    Advocates for long-term care residents call the data vital when it comes to policy and decision making in the fight against COVID-19.

    “What places are hot spots, what places might need extra staff and extra protective equipment,” said Sam Brooks, with the National Consumer Voice for Quality of Long Term Care.

    Brooks said doing away with the daily release of the state’s COVID-19 related data would negatively impact those efforts.

    Spectrum News learned of the possibility over the weekend, when we reached out to Gov. Ron DeSantis’s office on Saturday, after the daily COVID-19 numbers weren’t posted for the first time since March. We were told the delay was due to a large number of test results received from a laboratory. While the state resumed its daily reporting on Sunday, the Governor’s spokesperson said talks of staggering the state’s reporting were already underway.

    “Part of the discussion is whether to return the Covid reports to the same schedule or a modified schedule like all the other reports of infectious diseases,” said Fred Picollo, spokesperson for the governor.

    While Picollo said the discussion was very preliminary, advocates like Brooks believe it’s still too soon to even consider.

    “At the state level, that is the most accurate and up to date data that we have,” Brooks said. “And to remove that piece of the puzzle is really going to hamper that response and really have a negative impact on a lot of folks.”

    Dr. Lindsay Peterson, a researcher with USF’s School of Aging Studies, says weekly reporting, as opposed to daily, wouldn’t necessarily affect her ability to spot trends and analyze data. However, Peterson agrees now is not the time to scale back.

    “Everybody’s talking in other states about a resurgence. We’re kind of beginning to see that in Florida. For the first time yesterday, the positivity rate began to edge up over 5,” Peterson said. “It’s not a time right now to relax and say we’re out of the woods because that is not what the data is showing.”

    The Governor’s Office said a decision isn’t imminent, but either way, the full extent of the data will still be made available.
     
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    #1830     Oct 16, 2020