DeSantis for the win

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Tsing Tao, May 21, 2020.

  1. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao


    I'll bet the "science" back then wasn't political like it is today. It was probably real Science.
     
    #1591     Sep 22, 2020
  2. Buy1Sell2

    Buy1Sell2

    It is??

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    #1592     Sep 22, 2020
  3. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

    He'll be yelling that a year from now, frothing at the mouth. "Just you wait!!!"
     
    #1593     Sep 22, 2020
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  4. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    Go read the story of Democratic President Wilson hiding and censoring Spanish Flu information even after WWI ended and refusing federal oversight of any kind in addressing the flu.... plus all the Republican politicians urging him and other Democrats to have a coordinated federal response with medical assistance which Wilson rejected. Wilson even caught a bad case of the Spanish flu himself and still took no action -- in fact he nearly never mentioned the flu in public statements -- very much complete silence from the White House. Of course, they encountered the same issues we have today including anti-maskers in cities - which served to make the flu pandemic worse in the U.S.

    Due to this every city, county, and state did their own thing... divided along political lines for the most part of the pro-science Republicans and ignore-science Democrats.

    What was the end result of President Wilson's and the Democrat failure to address the flu pandemic. The flu pandemic caused a sharp recession starting in January of 2020 as localities all enacted different public health measures with no coordination --- the flu also caused the deaths of 675,000 Americans.

    "What happened? Republican Warren Harding won more than 60 percent of the vote and a towering majority in the Electoral College. Republicans added massively to narrow majorities in both chambers of Congress. It was a thorough repudiation of nominee James Cox and the Democratic Party. Republicans would go on to preside over the Roaring Twenties, winning the next three presidential elections and maintaining unified control of Congress until 1931."

    "Science" was just as political in the 1918 to 1920 period as it is today.
     
    #1594     Sep 22, 2020
  5. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

    See, there's where I believe you are mistaken.

    Back then, the science wasn't political. Back then, the politicians decided what they wanted to share and prevented public access of the science.

    Today, the actual scientists have a narrative.
     
    #1595     Sep 22, 2020
  6. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

    DeSantis for the mutha-fucking win. This is why there won't be anything like Portland in this state. BLM can stay home.

     
    #1596     Sep 22, 2020
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  7. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    In this instance I agree with Governor DeSantis - business that do their best to comply with public health guidelines and protect their employees/customers from COVID need to be protected from litigation. The issue is that needs to be passed at the national level rather than the state level -- so the U.S. has one common policy.

    DeSantis backs limiting COVID-19-related lawsuits amid pandemic
    https://www.news4jax.com/news/flori...ting-covid-19-related-lawsuits-amid-pandemic/

    Saying that fear of lawsuits is holding back the economy, Gov. Ron DeSantis on Tuesday said he supports placing limits on coronavirus-related litigation and is willing to consider such a bill during a potential special legislative session in November.

    The comments marked the first time DeSantis has publicly supported limiting lawsuits for Florida businesses that are grappling with the COVID-19 pandemic.

    DeSantis said the Legislature could consider a bill to give liability protections to “run-of-the-mill businesses” during a session that also could involve his controversial plan to crack down on disorderly protesters. DeSantis unveiled the plan about protesters Monday and suggested Tuesday that a special session could be held when lawmakers return to Tallahassee for a Nov. 17 post-election organization session.

    “There is a lot of concern about liability,” DeSantis said. “I believe it holds the economy back.”

    The governor did not clearly explain what types of protections he would support, talking in sentence fragments when discussing the issues with reporters.

    ""If you just have a store and someone … you cannot be held liable … first of all, how would you even prove someone was …. so we’ve never done that with any other type of virus where you could be sued," DeSantis said.

    The governor said “there’s some stuff going on that’s a little different than run-of-the-mill business” that wouldn’t qualify for protections and mentioned clinical laboratories.

    Attempts to limit lawsuits --- an issue commonly known as tort reform --- often spur fierce political battles in Tallahassee, with plaintiffs' attorneys squaring off against business and health-care groups. Opponents of such limits generally contend that they penalize people who are injured because of the actions of businesses or health-care providers.

    DeSantis' remarks were welcomed by business groups that have been pushing the governor to provide lawsuit protections during the pandemic. Businesses across the state closed down or scaled back in March and April to try to prevent the spread of COVID-19, with reopening efforts gradually starting in May.

    “This is the first time I have heard the governor publicly support this, but I think he supports getting the economy open and getting everyone back to work,” said William Large, president of the Florida Justice Reform Institute, a business-backed group that lobbies on liability issues. “He’s a trailblazer in this respect. He is leading the way on the need to protect businesses from difficult causation lawsuits about how COVID-19 was transmitted. Businesses are in fear that if they open up they are going to be sued.”

    Bill Herrle, executive director of the National Federation of Independent Business in Florida, also praised DeSantis.

    “Business owners have been thrust into the role of being a public health officer. Every day they run their business they need to make decisions about whether Joe can come into work because he says that he’s not feeling well. Should we send Joe home?” said Herrle, whose group is made up of small businesses. “Or Joe comes in and says, ‘My wife, Mary, tested positive.’ So do we send Joe home? So it’s all those hundreds of day-to-day decisions. It is, but it’s not, alone, just the concern for exposure to liability for having caused someone to contract COVID. It’s all the hundreds of decisions we make that are being driven by COVID as well. So we are very happy to see him do this.”

    DeSantis said he thought the liability issue would be settled by the federal government as part of a COVID-19 relief package. But Congress has been bogged down and unable to reach a deal on new legislation.

    “The grand bargain was supposed to be liability protection for business and then aid to states,” DeSantis said. “The Dems wanted aid to states, and the Republicans wanted liability. But that hasn’t happened.”

    Following DeSantis' remarks, Florida Chief Financial Officer Jimmy Patronis late Tuesday issued a statement outlining what he identified as his three guiding principles for liability protections.
     
    #1597     Sep 24, 2020
  8. Ricter

    Ricter

    And yet some businesses are reporting that they're screaming for people to come to work, and the people aren't coming. Doesn't sound like those businesses are afraid of lawsuits.
     
    #1598     Sep 24, 2020
  9. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    They aren't coming to work because for 68% of the unemployed they earned more money sitting at home then coming into work. Even now with the federal bonus reduced to $300 from $600 at the end of July -- many employees prefer not working for their money.

    It is time to clearly limit the unemployment payouts stating that you cannot earn more on unemployment than you did at work.
     
    #1599     Sep 24, 2020
  10. Buy1Sell2

    Buy1Sell2

    You like lock-downs though.
     
    #1600     Sep 24, 2020