Deportations

Discussion in 'Politics' started by gwb-trading, Apr 8, 2025.



  1. You got your Saint Garcia medal hanging from the mirror of your car next to the foam dice and the pine tree air freshener?

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  2. ipatent

    ipatent

    CNN Poll: Majority of Voters Favor Deporting All Illegal Immigrants

    A majority of voters favor deporting all illegal immigrants from the United States, despite the ongoing leftist narrative suggesting otherwise — particularly when it comes to the recently deported El Salvadorian national, an alleged member of MS-13 whom Democrats are desperately seeking to return.

    The latest data comes straight from CNN, which found that 56 percent support deporting an estimated 11 million illegal aliens residing in the United States. This is significantly up from 38 percent who said the same in 2016.
     
  3. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    No due process for anyone including U.S. citizens. Just directly ship them out of the country. No judicial deportation hearing to challenge their removal as required by the Supreme Court ruling.

    Trump says US cannot give every person it wants to deport a trial
    https://www.reuters.com/world/us/tr...very-person-it-wants-deport-trial-2025-04-21/

    April 21 (Reuters) - U.S. President Donald Trump on Monday said on Truth Social that his administration cannot give everyone it wants to deport a trial "because to do so would take, without exaggeration, 200 years"

    In the post, Trump wrote about removing criminals and those illegally in the United States.

    This comes as an increasing number of Venezuelan migrants are deported from the United States, many without a criminal record.

    Deportations based on wartime law
    Earlier on Monday, lawyers told US justices that the Trump administration was prepared to carry out deportations of dozens of Venezuelan migrants detained in Texas under a 1798 law historically used only during wartime without judicial review and contrary to the Supreme Court's prior orders.

    The rights group American Civil Liberties Union urged the Supreme Court to intervene as dozens of Venezuelan migrants faced deportation without having the possibility to contest their cases in court.

    As a reaction, the US Supreme Court halted deportations under the Alien Enemies Act on Saturday.

    The Supreme Court recently ruled that the government can continue deporting under the law, only if the detainees are given due process in which they can challenge the removal.
     
  4. The courts, including the Supreme Court, will rule that due process including a hearing are required. That is not really, ultimately, the issue. The real issue will be what that due process must look like.

    The system is a little quirky in that we have all these front line "immigration judges" who are not real Article 3 judges. They are in fact, more like administrative hearing officers, just appointees, line agency employees of the DOJ. They make a lot of frontline, quick and dirty, "do you check the box on this issue" decisions on illegals on the way in. The BIG QUESTION is whether a hearing before an administrative immigration judge/officer is also sufficient for deportees on the way out. If so, then that is not a show stopper for Trump's plans. However, if it is determined that each and every potential deportee is entitled to a full Article 3 court hearing with appeals, court appointed lawyers and all of that then that is an immediate undoable overload on to the system.

    Everyone being deported is entitled to at least some hearing to see what they have to say for themselves and the government has to say for itself. That can be done in assembly line manner though. Just as is done on the way in for many.

    The other huge issue is what is the criteria that must be met for the government to deport or exclude. For example, you can look at what I said above and say "yeh but all these people want a chance to deny that they are gang members or to prove that their lives are at risk and that is going to take a full trial etc." You can see the media churning away to help Garcia argue that he is not a gang member. But if the court decides/or re-affirms that it does not matter. Just the state department deciding they don't want someone is sufficient then that will simplify things for a hearing officer. It gets at the right versus privilege thing.
     
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  5. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    So let me ask - did a single deportee to the prison in El Salvador receive any type of due process? Did any of them get a hearing in front of an immigration judge as required by law before being shackled and shipped away on an airplane?

    Let me provide the answer. It is "No".

    At this point it is very clear the Trump administration is violating our laws regarding the processes required for deportation and requirement that deportees are entitled to a hearing.
     
  6. Refer to the part where I said it will be decided that some level of due process is required- it is just a question of how much.
     
  7. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    There already a due process established by law. Why is the Trump administration not following it?
     
  8. You would read the government's brief for that.

    That would be the source for their position.

    For my position, you ask me. And I have already given that or laid out the issues to be resolved by the court to arrive at what it should be.
     
  9. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    So we are now a nation where the federal government should not follow existing laws.

    Good to know.

    Reminds me of a particular nation in the 1930s.
     
  10. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading