*****DENIAL*****

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by total180, Dec 27, 2003.

  1. 9/11 COVERUP FALLING APART
    Even phony Kean commission
    concedes something wrong with official story

    part1

    "If what I say is right, the whole U.S. government should end up behind bars."
    — Andreas von Bulow

    To most Americans, the first inkling that something was wrong with the official story of the 9/11 catastrophe occurred about a year after the event, when President Bush resisted setting up a panel to investigate the events of that dark day.
    Why would he not want to investigate the greatest crime in American history? many wondered. Then, he badly underfunded it. Then, he tried to name infamous power broker Henry Kissinger to head it. Since then, Bush has stonewalled a committee of his own choosing, one stacked with political functionaries that is ill-equipped to conduct either a police or forensic investigation — and, perhaps most revealing, one that accepted the government's version of who the guilty parties were before they examined any evidence!
    To date, there has never been anything revealed to the public about how the U.S. government KNOWS that Osama bin Laden and al-Qaeda were the actual perpetrators of 9/11.
    Today, millions of Americans realize — simply from watching thousands of cop shows on TV — that the one most interested in covering up a crime is the one most likely to have committed it. Many more millions also realize that the foremost beneficiaries of the attacks and mass killings of 9/11 are the same people who are now waging wars that are based on some very suspicious rationalizations, most of which since have been exposed as outright lies.
    Shockingly enough, even Thomas Kean, chairman of the committee constructed to cover up this greatest crime in American history, blew the whistle the other day that the attacks could have been prevented. Whether this will develop into a real investigation, or whether Kean's remarks were nothing more than what is called "a limited hangout," remains to be seen. But Kean's comment was evidence that a much larger percentage of the American people is beginning to sense that the "they hate our freedom" rationale uttered by the president is clearly bogus, and there is much more than meets the media eye happening about 9/11.
    To a far smaller number of Americans, the official 9/11 story began to smell much earlier than when Bush tried to stall the official investigation.
    When top Bush administration officials immediately and in unison denied knowing that jetliners could be used to attack American landmarks right after 9/11, a number of alert reporters immediately pointed out that this very subject had been under government study for almost a decade. And when U.S. officials immediately released a list of the alleged hijackers, the lie was immediately visible to those with eyes to see: how could they deny knowing this possibility of a massive jetliner attack existed, yet be able to name the alleged hijackers almost instantly because these individuals had been under surveillance for months?
    If they could name the alleged hijackers, then they couldn't deny knowing the possibility of using planes as weapons existed, could they?
    As astonishing events unfolded after the tragedy — the hasty passage of the Patriot Act (approved by Congress despite virtually no one in Congress reading it before voting for it), which nullified large portions of the U.S. Constitution; constant "terror alerts" about which no evidence was ever produced; the war against Afghanistan which was claimed to be a response to 9/11 yet was planned long before 9/11; and the war against Iraq, which was waged because that nation supposedly threatened America with weapons of mass destruction (which have never and will never be found, unless planted) and had ties to that mystery terror group called al-Qaeda (since proven to be lies) — many more millions of Americans began to understand that the new peril they were in was not from some shadowy worldwide terror group but from unscrupulous demagogues in Washington who would invent any story — and kill any number of people — in order to improve the fortunes of the very military/industrial power brokers who illegally brought them to power in the first place.
    In the mind of these many more millions of Americans, a new syllogism began to take shape: if they lied about why they went to war in Afghanistan and they lied about why they went to war in Iraq, how stupid would Americans have to be to believe what they said about 9/11?
    And yet, through two years of intense flag waving, during which most Americans were too terrified to say anything critical of those who were ostensibly protecting us from this new wave of worldwide terror, the lies became cast in stone. The media, owned by the same shameful specimens who own the weapons making companies, refused to even entertain the notion that the U.S. government could tell blatant lies to its own people, never mind murder thousands of them in one day.
    Worse, what passed for the political opposition was afraid to even whisper what was becoming obvious in the minds of so many Americans with functioning brains — that the initial signs of a deliberate air defense standdown, the phony mythology about Muslim hijackers, the funny way all those buildings in New York happened to fall, the tiny hole in the Pentagon that was supposedly caused by a giant airliner, and the curiously comatose behavior of our president when the nation he was supposed to be leading was under dire attack — that 9/11 bore a multitude of evidential suggestions that it was an inside job, executed to give right-wing crazies a better shot at looting the treasury of their own country in a variety of ways. This scenario has now obviously come to pass.
    And that is really where we stand today. Shockingly, while millions around the country and billions more around the world are certain that this is what happened, not a single major politician now chirping about irrelevant subjects in order to be permitted to run for the office of president against the world's top mass murderer has uttered even a single syllable that these millions of Americans who believe something is very wrong with the official 9/11 story just might be right.
    And in the so-called American free press, our prostituted media continue a total blackout on the subject, as evidenced by the total silence that accompanied the recent filing of a lawsuit by 9/11 widow Ellen Mariani again President Bush for obstruction of justice and treason.
    This is a travesty of mind-boggling proportions. Like the entire Congress that goosestepped late at night while it knocked over the U.S. Constitution, here we have the complete political spectrum — every single rich man who has declared his intention to run for president — not daring to admit what millions of Americans know beyond doubt in the sincerest depths of their hearts — that 9/11 was conceived, devised, planned and carried out from the offices of power in the United States, principally Washington, but also New York and Langley, Virginia, and quite possibly Tel Aviv.
    You have only to look at the psychologically palsied and putrescent behavior of the official 9/11 investigative body, the Kean commission — as well as the insane and demonic actions of every single functionary in the Bush Administration — to know in your heart that it's true.
    And realize the jeopardy we are all in.
    Fortunately, there are many scrupulous personalities who haven't bought the shallow lies and who have worked doggedly since that dark day to bring the cynical deceptions to light.
     
  2. part2

    They have analyzed the fall of the WTC towers and concluded they were most likely demolished. Why else would so much of the rubble have turned to powder and the towers themselves exploded at the top? Why else would WTC7 have fallen in the same manner of the others when it was not hit by a plane?
    They have talked the Pentagon scenario to death and concluded there was no legitimate trace of jetliner rubble to be found, written that a hole of that small type was most likely made by a missile, and concluded that reports of identifying the DNA of every passenger on Flight 77 in that rubble was simply an impossible lie if the fires were hot enough to have melted virtually every trace of the crashed airliner.
    They have concluded beyond doubt that the alleged maneuvers of the Pentagon jet could never have been accomplished by someone who did not do well in a small plane at a jerkwater flight school.
    Many people have asked me, what are the best 9/11 sites? This is a sampling of some of them. Study them. Hone your arguments. Talk to people.

    http://physics911.org/net/
    http://www.serendipity.li/wtc.html#what_actually_happened
    http://www.serendipity.li/wot/anti-war.htm
    http://serendipity.ptpi.net/wot/holmgren/11.htm
    http://911research.wtc7.net
    http://wtc7.net
    http://911research.wtc7.net/talks/index.html
    http://nyc.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=82574&group=webcast
    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article4582.htm
    http://www.radiofreeamerica.tv/video/2003-12-12/911-group.swf
    http://news.globalfreepress.com/
    http://www.911-strike.com/
    http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=22004
    http://home.comcast.net/~skydrifter/exp.htm
    http://whatreallyhappened.com/blackmail.html
    http://disc.server.com/discussion.cgi?disc=149495;article=45...
    http://www.wsws.org/articles/2001/oct2001/bond-o05.shtml
    http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline/main/dayof911.html
    http://www.media-criticism.com/Baltimore_Sun_911_Letter_09_2003.html
    http://portland.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=44629&gr...
    http://www.worldnewsstand.net/history/911.htm
    (Apologies to the many good ones excluded; I'm only one guy. These are just a few of the ones I happened to have used.)
    When you read through these and understand their contents, you will understand beyond question that everything you hear from the mouths of presidential candidates, government officials and TV commentators is a lie. That there is so much evidence to convince you that 9/11 was an inside job, that our leading officials are criminals and mass murderers, that you, as a functioning human being on this earth, have no choice but to try to convince your neighbor that something must done if we are not to go quietly into this police state prison that has been prepared for us.
    And yet, with all the comprehensive and inspired research that has been done (really, the Kean commission only needs to read the internet before recommending mass arrests for virtually all of the American government's leadership) there are two glaring areas that continue to delay the search for justice about 9/11.
    The first involves the suspicious investments prior to 9/11, in which millions of dollars were made by betting the price of certain airline stocks (and other companies, some of which were located in the WTC towers) would go down. Financial laws guarantee a degree of confidentiality in these transactions, even those these laws principally protect crooks with large amounts of money who are often doing something the law does not permit. Nevertheless, the laws are set up to protect these identities.
    Had America a great and honest leader, he (or she) would suspend these laws and name the beneficiaries of these suspicious transactions, reasoning that the greater good was served by tracking down the real perpetrators of the 9/11 mass murder instead of protecting the identities who clearly knew that 9/11 was going to happen before it did happen. Could there be any clearer path to uncovering the real criminals who killed all those people in New York and Washington (and later in Afghanistan and Iraq)? No, there couldn't. Any genuine investigation into the crimes of 9/11 would start (and quite possibly finish) right here.
    In addition to releasing the contents of the black boxes that were found in the wreckages of the three disaster venues of 9/11, as well as the contents of the footage taken by the confiscated security cameras near the Pentagon (which could clearly reveal what actually did hit the Pentagon), the names of the investors who profited from insider trading in the days prior to 9/11 would give us a clear look at who the actual perpetrators of this unspeakable crime actually were.
    It is a way to solve the crime, and it is clear. Logical people must assume that those who would prevent this method of solving this crime clearly have some involvement in it. This is beyond debate.
    The second area most researchers have failed to make any real headway in is the involvement of Israel and its intelligence agency the Mossad in the planning and carrying out of the 9/11 attacks. Sure, Israel was one of those many countries that gave advance warning to the U.S. that something like this was about to happen (you remember, those warnings that Bush and his thugs insist they never got, but fortunately were reliably recorded by the other countries themselves).
    The facts are that the evidence for Israeli involvement is substantial. Two workers in an Israeli company located in New York got advance warnings by e-mail two hours before the attacks. Israeli "art students" were shadowing the alleged hijackers for many months during their sojourns in flight schools around the United States. Five Israelis were arrested for dancing in celebration shortly after the planes hit the towers; two had connections to the Mossad. And, perhaps foremost, in the city with the largest Jewish population in the entire world, virtually no Israelis were killed in the 9/11 attacks.
    Taken together, these coincidences are too astonishing to ignore. And given Israel's history of "false flag" operations (conducting terror and getting the blame shifted to another country), its involvement throughout history in attacks on its own citizens and Jews around the world to get them to behave in a certain way, its ponderous influence on the American congress and the American media, and the words of former Israeli prime minister Netanyahu, who immediately after the attacks said they were a very good thing for Israel, many millions of people believe that Israel was really the driving force behind 9/11, simply to get the Americans to continue to do their bidding in the Middle East, which as you can see by subsequent events, clearly is continuing to happen.
    The withholding of information by the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission of the names of the men who profited from the suspicious trades in the days before 9/11, and the hidden role of Israeli intelligence in a caper in the biggest Jewish city in the world in a complex owned by Jewish businessmen continue to be the two most significant uninvestigated aspects of 9/11, and the ones most likely to lead to a genuine finding of fact about what really happened on this tragic and significant day.
    Unfortunately, the powers that be are doing everything they can to impede investigation into these two areas, as well as into all other areas of information about 9/11.
    Thus, it stands to reason, just on the basis of rules established in all those TV detective shows, that the powers that be are the ones who committed these heinous crimes, for the purpose of regimenting society more to their liking, because a regimented society is more profitable, and those under the thumb of a totalitarian capitalist dictatorship, as we are now, are far less likely to solve crimes and discover the perpetrators of the horror of 9/11 that changed the fundamental nature of the nation and the world in which we live.
    It's not too much to demand honesty and accountability. Insist your favorite presidential candidate tell you about what he knows about 9/11, the insider trading, and Israel's influence. The answers you receive will tell you exactly what kind of candidate you're supporting.
     
  3. Maverick74

    Maverick74

    Hey Total, I thought I told you to stop posting under your new alias. Go back to Aroguetrader.
     
  4. Same old stuff - Bush attacked his own country, an airliner did not strike the Pentagon, the Jews were behind the whole thing.

    Bin laden is of course a Mossad agent, and Saddam is Bush's secret half-brother.

    Next thing you know Kim Jong-Il will be outed as a CIA plant.
     
  5. Daryn

    Daryn

    That has got to be one of the stupidest things I have ever read! Have you ever heard of chicken little?
     
  6. Pabst

    Pabst

    Total. I don't mind if you oppose the war/Bush ect. BUT can you refrain from posting articles that are so ridiculously stupid as this. I won't even waste my time responding to such BS.
     
  7. Lying to the public is all right, says Washington's chief lawyer
    By Mark Helm, in Washington
    Sydney Morning Herald, AU
    March 20, 2002

    The United States Government's top lawyer has said that officials have the right to lie to American citizens, telling the US Supreme Court that misleading statements are sometimes needed to protect foreign policy interests.

    "It's easy to imagine an infinite number of situations where the government might legitimately give out false information," the Solicitor-General, Theodore Olson, told the court on Monday.

    "It's an unfortunate reality that the issuance of incomplete information and even misinformation by government may sometimes be perceived as necessary to protect vital interests."

    But Jennifer Harbury, an American widow who was misled for years by American officials concerning the whereabouts and condition of her husband, a Guatemalan rebel leader, disagreed. She told the court that US officials should be held liable if they lie.

    Since the September 11 attacks, the Bush Administration has made several moves to clamp down on the flow of information. For example, last November the Attorney-General, John Ashcroft, ordered closer reviews of which documents federal agencies release under the Freedom of Information Act.

    In a separate effort aimed at confounding terrorists through the use of misinformation, the Administration created - then disbanded - an office within the Pentagon that was to have planted inaccurate stories in foreign media.

    An expert on foreign policy and the law at Catholic University in Washington, Antonio Perez, said current events would weigh heavily on the justices as they considered this case.

    "The court may well be loath in this time of crisis to do or say anything that appears to hamstring executive energy in the war against terrorism."
    Hearst Newspapers

    Mother of All Lies About 9/11
    Barbara Olson's "Phone Call" From Flight 77
    http://homepage.ntlworld.com/steveseymour/lies911/lies.htm
     
  8. Then please refrain from responding. Keeping an open mind and objectively examining info, regardless how "far out there it may appear", is understandably not an easy task. It's not the first time..
    No offense intended
     
  9. The White House: A New Fight Over Secret 9/11 Docs
    Newsweek

    Feb. 16 issue - The White House is facing a new battle with the federal panel investigating 9/11. To mollify the panel chair, former governor Thomas Kean, President George W. Bush last week reversed course and agreed to a two-month extension that is supposed to ensure a final 9/11 report by July. But that might not be enough. Commission sources tell NEWSWEEK that panel members are fed up with what one calls "maddening" restrictions by White House lawyers on their access to key documents. Unless the panel gets to see the docs, the report "will not withstand the laugh test," a commission official says. The panel is threatening to force a showdown soon—by voting to subpoena the White House.

    The documents at the heart of the dispute are the so-called presidential daily briefs, or PDBs—the daily intelligence brief given to Bush by a senior intelligence official, usually the CIA director or his deputy. White House lawyers have guarded the documents as the "crown jewels" of executive privilege. But last year Kean and other commissioners complained they couldn't write their report without seeing exactly what Bush, and Bill Clinton before him, had been told about the threat of Al Qaeda. The White House then agreed to a complex deal that would allow four panel officials to review the PDBs and then brief the full 10-member panel. But the arrangement hasn't stopped the wrangling. The four-member team asked to look at 360 PDBs dating back to 1998; White House counsel Alberto Gonzales permitted them to see just 24, arguing that only those that specifically mentioned possible domestic attacks or airplane hijackings were relevant. (One panel member was allowed to read all 360—but couldn't share the contents with colleagues.) The team was permitted to write brief summaries of the PDBs they did read. But White House lawyers objected to some of the wording. The bickering has meant the full panel has yet to be told anything about the PDBs—even while it was conducting interviews with top officials, like last Saturday's with national-security adviser Condoleezza Rice. The restrictions are especially infuriating, one source notes, because at least some of the PDBs appear to have been selectively shared by the White House two years ago with author Bob Woodward for his book "Bush at War." White House officials insist they are protecting the principle of confidential advice for the president and have given the panel "unprecedented" access to sensitive material. "We are doing everything we can to cooperate with the commission," a White House spokeswoman says. Still, some commission officials see an element of politics. While the commission's work has uncovered no smoking gun, sources say, the cumulative impact of the intelligence documents and other material is damning—showing far more screw-ups by both Clinton and Bush officials than the public has yet to learn.

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4208768/
     
  10. GOD, GOOGLED, EXISTS

    59,900,000 Search Results Evidence of Deity, Experts Agree

    In the most conclusive evidence of a Supreme Being ever discovered, a Google™ search of God has proved once and for all that He exists, theologians agreed today.

    “To those doubters out there who still don’t believe that God exists, I have just one piece of advice: Google™ Him,” said Dr. George Darlington of the University of Minnesota Divinity School.

    The Google™ search of God turned up over 59 million websites featuring Him, a number that theological scholars around the world said makes God’s existence an open and shut case.

    The stunning discovery, expected to wipe out atheism worldwide, was made entirely by accident by Jason Blivens, 22, a video-store clerk in Tacoma, Washington.

    Speaking to reporters today at his home, Mr. Blivens said he meant to do a Google™ search of the word “bod” but accidentally typed the letter “g” instead of “b.”

    “As soon as those search results came up, I immediately alerted the authorities,” Mr. Blivens said. “I knew this was something big.”

    In contrast with the 59 million sites found for God, a Google™ for Satan turned up only 3 million sites, suggesting that God is much more powerful than Satan, as theologians have long argued.

    But in a finding that some scholars called worrisome, Paris Hilton turned up on over 3.5 million sites, indicating that the hotel heiress has actually eclipsed the Lord of Darkness as a force for evil.

    In a positive development, however, “good” received 178 million search results while “evil” snagged only 17 million, 16 million of those stemming from foreign policy speeches by President George W. Bush.

    www.borowitzreport.com
     
    #10     Feb 10, 2004