Dems just lost the senate!!!

Discussion in 'Politics' started by sputdr, Dec 13, 2006.

  1. Quite funny, and of course sad that a right wing know nothing runs here to exclaim the death of another human....be he a member of the opposition or not.

    sputdr....you should be proud of yourself.


     
    #11     Dec 13, 2006
  2. Wow... the klansmen are desperate now.

    sputdr... you are pathetic.
     
    #12     Dec 13, 2006
  3. Another brilliant post exposing the IQ of this forums brightest liberal.
    Just out of interest, are you diagnosed as a paranoid schizo by any chance?
     
    #13     Dec 13, 2006

  4. It has nothing to do with the klan......they are not the power brokers of the world.....ask Senator Wellstone what he thinks of the worlds power brokers (well that is if you could ask him). :eek:

    http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/december2006/131206_b_Senator.htm

    http://infowars.net/articles/december2006/131206Anthrax.htm
     
    #14     Dec 13, 2006
  5. #15     Dec 13, 2006
  6. Winston Churchill said it best.........


    "The truth is incontrovertible. Panic may resent it, ignorance may deride it, malice may distort it, but there it is."
     
    #16     Dec 13, 2006
  7. Sam321

    Sam321

    Democrats are poor losers because they think they are entitled to power. But Republicans feel they deserve it when they win or lose.

    Incidentally, the Republicans dropped the ball and the Libertarians/independents stayed home on election day. Meanwhile, the ethnocentric Hispanics all voted Democrat and were encouraged to vote Democrat by their Spanish-speaking talk radio, after the immigration fiasco. No surprise since most Mexicans in America come from Southern Mexico, which is full of Leftist Obrador supporters.

    Republicans supporting Amnesty makes no sense as it simply imports more Latin Leftists and essentially hands more power to the socialist Democrats.
     
    #17     Dec 13, 2006
  8. Here' s what I consider an interesting dilemma. We obviously know what the law is; the Gov appoints whoever he wants. However, the people elected a Gov, not a god.

    Obviously, at one point in history, one party or the other set it up this way to serve their immediate needs. Now, we all live with it.

    Question...... Johnson cannot return. As Governor, don't you have a moral obligation, although not legal, to appoint a Dem as the people originally demanded?




    A much better political story, btw, is the Aguirre/SEC battle. Look at WSJ letter to the Ed by Grassley.
     
    #18     Dec 14, 2006
  9. dpt

    dpt

    The US constitution was written before any of the current political parties
    existed, so originally, at least, it wasn't really done this way to serve the
    immediate interests of a particular party. Article I section 3 deals with the
    question of vacancies in the Senate. The relevant language in the original
    constitution was:

    So the power was originally given to the State Governor, to make a temporary
    appointment, and to the State Legislature, to make a permanent appointment
    once it next met. Probably the major reason why things were done that way was
    to guarantee that the several States would be able to feel they would retain
    stronger control over the Federal government under the proposed constitution
    ... remember that the States were not exactly in a very big rush to ratify the
    new constitution after the Revolutionary War.

    The method worked well enough until right before the Civil War, when serious
    disputes between the (new at the time) Republican party and its supporters,
    and the Democratic party and its supporters, caused some State legislatures to
    fail to appoint replacement Senators at all. But even before the Civil War
    there had already been a long standing, if sporadic, effort to change the
    laws.

    Progressive Republicans and Populists continued to press the issue after the
    war, making it into a political plank and arguing in favour of direct popular
    elections for the replacements, and after the turn of the century the idea
    really took off, and a couple of Western states even introduced direct
    elections for replacement Senators. Finally, in 1912, the original language of
    the constitution was over-ridden by the second clause of the Seventeenth
    Amendment:

    So language was introduced suggesting that the selection of a replacement
    should really be by direct popular election. In principle, then, it doesn't
    benefit either party's interests. In fact, though, popular input was clearly made subject to the
    will of the State legislatures. States always guarded their power pretty jealously.

    So now, the State legislatures can, if they choose, give the Governor the
    power to make a temporary appointment until such time as a popular election
    can be held, and also choose whether or not to require a special election in
    such a case. Interestingly enough, South Dakota is one of the ten states that
    never ratified the Seventeenth amendment.

    Still, the situation in South Dakota apparently is that the State legislature
    did give away the power to the governor (Mike Rounds) and that -- if the seat
    becomes vacant -- no special election needs to be called before the next
    general election in 2008. So the governor would be called on to make an
    appointment, if Johnson should die. Naturally I hope the man will recover, and
    that none of this will be necessary.

    If Johnson is merely incapacitated, then the situation seems to be less
    clear. According to comments by the South Dakota Secretary of State, they're
    not quite sure what to do in that case, or even whether having a stroke is
    sufficient for the Senate seat to be considered `vacant.'

    Oh no. It's like one of those awful philosophy 101 questions.

    If you're hiding under a bridge from the Nazis, and your baby is going to give
    your position away, is it moral to smother the baby to save yourself?


    I used to really hate these questions :p

    Only someone who has never actually been in that situation would ever
    raise the question for debate in the first place.

    One can argue in many ways, for sure, but my general feeling is no, there's no
    such moral obligation for the governor. There's an obligation, having been
    duly elected, for him to serve the people who elected him according to the
    best of his ability, which to me, means choosing the person he thinks would best
    represent the people's interests, in his own estimation.

    If the people of South Dakota are unhappy with that outcome, then they really
    need to press for a reform of State law such that a special election could be
    held in a case like this, or to vote Mike Rounds out at the next opportunity.

    Agreed. The Senate is going to remain very closely split, no matter what the
    outcome. Grassley is on the side of the angels in this fight.
     
    #19     Dec 14, 2006
  10. If something did happen, then the governor should respect the will of the people, and appoint a democrat to replace him.

    Can you imagine how apeshit the klannish would be, if the roles were reversed, and a dem governor replaced a republican elected senator with a dem in order to control the senate?

    These neoklowns have no honor, no principle, just an unending lust for power and control...

     
    #20     Dec 14, 2006