Democrats to lower Social Security age to 55?

Discussion in 'Economics' started by clacy, Dec 10, 2009.

  1. BSAM

    BSAM

    Actually, in a certain manner, they already have; a long time ago via various forms of welfare. This too, is part of the problem with spending.
     
    #11     Dec 10, 2009
  2. rwk

    rwk

    OK, I apologize for my rather snarky post. I detest all these political rants on ET and long for a more rational discussion.

    For people who are opposed to "Obamacare", you might take a look at some of David Frum's opinion pieces. For those not familiar with David Frum, he was an economic speech writer for George W. Bush and is widely regarded as having sterling conservative credentials. Here are a couple of his articles:
    http://www.frumforum.com/what-if-we-win-the-healthcare-fight
    http://network.nationalpost.com/np/...lthcare-costs-destroyed-the-bush-economy.aspx
     
    #12     Dec 10, 2009
  3. It is funny that the only thing that bothers Republicans is the Public option. If that is removed they will go along with it.
     
    #13     Dec 10, 2009
  4. BSAM

    BSAM

    Hmm.....Who would you guess is funding the crooks in the Republican Party?
     
    #14     Dec 10, 2009
  5. srg

    srg

    Understand that this proposal is to allow people to *buy in* to medicare, with the goal to keep it revenue neutral. That means that people under 65 would have to pay the full premiums, unlike those signing up at 65 (for parts A and B that's over $700 per month).
     
    #15     Dec 10, 2009
  6. clacy

    clacy

    This guy brings up some good points, but the problem is there is no good answer for solving these issues.

    The fact is, if you want to get more and more medical innovation along with longer life spans, it will continue to cost more.

    If you want to insure more people, someone is going to have to spend more money to cover the added people. AND/OR you're going to have to ration.

    Maybe you can argue that you can squeeze a little out of waste/fraud, but the government involvement only adds to those types of abuses and rarely results in a decrease.

    What they are doing is partisan and dishonest. If they were serious about bringing down costs, they would include some tort reform for medical claims. That is one of the ONLY proven ways to bring costs down in a significant way.

    Obama and the congressional Dems are trying to make the claim that they are going to:

    *cover more people
    *not ration care
    *not raise cost or taxes

    These three things do not compute.

    That is what I find appalling. The least any politician can do is try to maintain some semblance of honesty in their intentions.
     
    #16     Dec 10, 2009
  7. HEh. People are starting to realize that the only thing politicians care about is winning re-election. And next year is an election year. So guess what? It's time to buy votes. Spend, Spend, Spend!!!
     
    #17     Dec 11, 2009
  8. That's not how most folks would define our $12 Trillion national debt + running annual deficits of $1.5Trillion per year.
     
    #18     Dec 11, 2009
  9. BSAM

    BSAM

    Uh, you wouldn't "soundbite" a quote and add commentary out of context would you?



    THE GOVERNMENT SPENDS TOO MUCH. GET IT?
     
    #19     Dec 11, 2009