Democrats starting to Force their Flu/Virus/Covid-19 Mandates starting with Innocent Children

Discussion in 'Politics' started by FortuneTeller, Aug 31, 2020.

  1. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    Let's get this straight..... you are creating a false paradox. No licensed pediatrician will recommend a four year old get the HPV vaccine. The youngest age it can be given is nine. So similar to many anti-vaxers you are pushing false scenarios as part of your assertions.

    If you refuse mandatory vaccines that stop highly communicable deadly diseases then yes --- you are an anti-vaxer. In fact this is how anti-vaxers define themselves.

    At this point we have all scene what happens in anti-vaxer communities -- go take a look at the wide-spread measles breakouts -- which are preventable.

    In 1956 the government made sure you were taking your medicine (the polio vaccine) -- did your parents object to you getting this vaccine which was "rushed".
     
    #31     Sep 1, 2020
  2. Wallet

    Wallet

    One benefit from this Pandemic is the focus on personal hygiene. People never saw the flu as deadly, even though the flu puts hundreds of thousands in the hospital and kills somewhere between 20-60,000 (US) each year. People get sick and as long as they’re not puking their guts out, they’re working or out in public, they send their kids to school sick. All that has stopped thankfully.

    If you’re sick, keep your diseased carcass at home.
     
    #32     Sep 1, 2020
  3. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

    I picked a random age as a point, but lets use 9 years old if you want. No 9 year old of mine is having sex, so the point still remains.

    So you're an anti-vaxxer if you get all the required vaccinations for measles, mumps, diphtheria, etc...but decide there hasn't been enough testing for a rapidly developed and pushed COVID vaccine.

    And talk about false equivalency - you're comparing a virus like polio that cripples to a cold virus that is only deadly to people very sick and or very old? You're a lunatic.
     
    #33     Sep 1, 2020
  4. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    You do realize the death rate (CFR) is a lot lower for Polio than it is for COVID.

    Yet somehow you believe that it is fine for the polio vaccine to be "rushed" but it is not acceptable for the COVID vaccine to be rushed - because you don't believe it will be safe due to being rapidly developed. We are not even at at a point where any COVID vaccine in the U.S. is approved - we don't have a summary yet of the testing that has been completed nor any assessment of the safety risks. Being concerned about the safety of a COVID vaccine in the U.S. is a bit premature --- and merely is a replay of typical anti-vaxer talking points.
     
    #34     Sep 1, 2020
  5. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

    LOL! What a totally misleading pile of horseshit.

    Yeah, the "reported death rate" for Covid is higher than Polio. What a joke. People don't really die from Polio, they're just permanently paralyzed. And then lets compare that death rate to a virus that we incentivized the hospitals to report on monetarily. Piss off, already. We're all wise to your narrative and we don't believe it any more. Some of us never did.

    Because it is about risk, as I've been saying all along. If a highly contagious virus you know has a very good chance of crippling your child is in circulation, you are more willing to give them a vaccine - even an experimental one. If you know your child has a NEAR ZERO chance of dying or even being affected at all from a virus, you're a lot more cautious about the vaccine. Duh!

    Give the COVID vaccines to the elderly.
     
    #35     Sep 1, 2020
  6. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    Yes... earlier I had outlined that having a disease that cripples people is far more depressing than one that kills them -- -which helped drive the polio vaccine.

    Yet - so many right-wingers have claimed that since COVID has a low death rate we should simply let it run wild through society -- even if it has many health-side effects that may last a lifetime. Well - similarly polio has even a lower CFR... and right-wingers are effectively promoting the same thinking for polio and similar diseases.
     
    #36     Sep 1, 2020
  7. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

    Many health effects from COVID that may last a lifetime. Please show empirical evidence what COVID's long lasting effects are, and how they are different from ANY run of the mill respiratory or cold virus.

    There's no such data. So stop playing that BS card.
     
    #37     Sep 1, 2020
  8. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    Standard respiratory or cold viruses do not have long term breathing and respiratory effects that linger on for months. There are numerous articles about the long term COVID health effects with many personal example provided.
     
    #38     Sep 1, 2020
  9. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

    I'd be happy to read empirical studies you may (or may not) have. "Articles" are worthless. I doubt you'll find much on the long term studies on a virus that has been in circulation for less than a year.

    And then there's Polio, which quite definitely can leave you paralyzed.

    Comparing these two viruses is complete, abject stupidity. Expecting people to take a vaccine when they have almost zero risk on COVID is abject stupidity.
     
    #39     Sep 1, 2020