All states which do not have carry conceal laws force homeowners to leave their guns at home unattended in many cases. You still need the broom. Your arguments are, pardon the pun, shot down left and right. Pull! Strike six. peace axeman
LOL. Now you know more about the law than my attorney buddies, even though you have failed to cite anything to the contrary. Classic. Or should I say, clueless. peace axeman
All states which do not have carry conceal laws force homeowners to leave their guns at home unattended in many cases. axeman ________________________________ Great point!
And then tampax has the nerve to attempt to blame the home owner for doing so! LOL!.... I just don't get these bleeding hearts. Can you say logically impaired? peace axeman
Axie, Axie, Axie - what am I going to do with you. First - the areas with "liberalized" gun laws tend to be low density, non-urban areas. Places with lots of open spaces, few places to hide, and few if any transients. It's the geography and the lack of opportunity that keeps crime low. Not the number of gun nuts living there. Thank you for telling me that I have "consistently been destroyed". Of course I assume that you are the one doing the destroying - am I correct? As a rule, the one doing the destroying need not inform the destroyed of his destruction. Unless of course it is done with wit, cleverness, and very slyly.
Actually, it is anything but. No State forces a gun owner to leave an operational, loaded fire arm unattended. Only irresponsible gun owners do such things, and they do so without being able to blame the law for their carelessness. My guess is that the reason you thought that it was a good point is because, like Axie, you yourself are an irresponsible person, scraping the bottom of the barrel in an effort to justify what you want to believe.
Everyone on this thread has consistently wrecked your arguments,not just me. tampax:"It's the geography and the lack of opportunity that keeps crime low. Not the number of gun nuts living there." Secondly... your wrong again. Dade country florida has a population of 2.5 million, and was used as one of the examples of assault and break in rates dramatically DROPPING after liberalized gun laws were passed there. Also.... other very populous areas such as Londan England was used in comparisons to the united states and in general, countries with strict gun control laws have a much higher break in rate than american states, ESPECIALLY when the occupants are home. Also...since Gary Kleck IS a statistician, he was very careful to compare apples with apples and oranges with oranges in his book. He compared rural areas with rural areas,etc. Your assertion is not only empty, it's completely false. READ THE BOOK. The stats belay your ignorance of the subject. Pull! Strike 7. At least your consistent at getting your arguments shot down peace axeman
LOL! More personal attacks due to lack of a strong position. Who is scraping here? States DO have laws which prohibit citizens to take their firearms with them, THEREFORE, they must leave them at home. Don't believe me? Try taking your firearm with you EVERYWHERE you go, and let's see how far you get. How about a court house? What part of this simple logic do you not understand? peace axeman
Axie, it is clear that I am no match for you, and your cohorts. What a fool I have been to attempt to match wits with the likes of you. Is there any doubt that I have been out maneuvered, out smarted, and thoroughly discredited by your flawless logic and superior debating skills. What a fool I have been to go up against a giant like you. Frankly, I don't know how I will ever live it down. But just one more thing - was it the "more liberalized" gun laws in Metro Dade (how the hell you can make gun laws more liberal in Florida is beyond me), or the dramatic decrease in the illicit drug trafficking? (I'd also like to know who the hell thinks of the Miami metro area as "safe") Oh never mind. I'll just shrink away to lick my wounds inflicted by my verbal joust with you.
"But just one more thing - was it the "more liberalized" gun laws in Metro Dade (how the hell you can make gun laws more liberal in Florida is beyond me)," Kleck was comparing the stats BEFORE the current liberalized gun laws existed, that's how. The very next year, the stats showed a significant change. You may assert that it was the decreased drug trafficing, but the gun laws changed in 1987, and unlike Gary Kleck, your assertion has not been backed up with hard statistical data. Strike 8. Here are some bandaids for your obvious debate wounds. peace axeman